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Sempert & Krieghoff Carlton Seitz - 19:00 14/05/1999
Dear Alan,
I own a double barrelled, side by side, shot gun which was given to me by my father who was a great spotsman. The barrell is ingraved 'Sempert & Krieghoff, Suhl' and 'Leim & Honstetter, Berlin'. I understand from one of your replies that these guns were made prior to World War II. When did Sempert & Krieghoff begin making guns?
Other information: 'Rochling & Elecktro 18229' is engraved on the barrell. The barrell is 23 3/4" long and apparently was a 12 gauge. Engraved underneath next to the stock is 'St.M.G.' and 'N. 13 gr.' The piece is nicely engraved and in good condition.
Any information as to the age or uniqueness of this piece would be greatly appreciated.
My home is in Towson, Maryland.
Carlton Seitz
Re: Sempert & Krieghoff Alan - 09:20 15/05/1999
Dear Carlton,
As you will have read in earlier replies, Krieghoff no longer have any records whatsoever regarding individual guns built before the war as all records were destroyed. I will forward the details of your gun to the facory to see if they can provide some more information on the other markings that your gun has. Please remember thought that, as they have no records, any information relies on someone there making the time to try and research your gun based on accumulated knowledge of German gunmaking in general.
Best regards,
Alan
K-32 Ed Dworakowski - 02:49 12/06/1999
I purchased a used K-32 Serial #6864 recently.
The bores measure .733 and .734
Are these overbored at the factory or were they backbored
by the previous owner?
Love your site
thanks in advance
Ed
Re: K-32 Alan - 08:20 15/06/1999
Ed,
Sorry for the delay in reply, I have been away from the office for a few days and was therefore unable to reply. First question, are the barrels on your model 32 original to the gun? Current factory bore size on the K-80 is 18.6mm which is .732", this was not always the bore size on earlier model 32 guns however. Somewhere on the barrels the bore size will be marked in mm. The mark is ususally on the tubes just in front of the join with the breech block and should be on the Left side. Multiply the mm figure by .3927 and you will have the bore size in inches (approx.) If the marked size is smaller than the measured bore size then you know the barrels have been altered.
Alan
Stock Dave - 17:14 15/06/1999
I have several war wounds on my "epoxy" coated stock. Where can I obtain this same material to fix these nicks and dings?
Re: Stock Alan - 17:24 15/06/1999
Dave,
This is not an easy one. The major problem with lacquered stocks is the fact that they mark easily and the only cure is to refinish the stock. If your nicks are very small it may be possible to improve the appearance by building up the nicks with "Super Glue" (the name used in the UK) or similar. I stress here that the job is no easy and you can very soon make it worse. I have succesfully improved small marks by applying a drop of the glue to the nicj and letting it harden. The glue is then lightly struck off flush and polished into the original surface. The glue will send the stock around the nick white and scare you to death but if you are careful it should work. Once again, let me warn you, you can very easily ruin the stock finish completely unless you have a certain degree of skill in this type of work. I accept no responibility for the results of trying this tip.
Alan
Pricing J. Clutter - 22:22 15/06/1999
How much would a four barrel set cost?
Re: Pricing Alan - 08:15 16/06/1999
The price will depend to some degree on what Country you live in. I am based in the UK and I guess, from you email address, that you are in the USA. Although prices in the UK and US are pretty much the same you can get an exact price from Krieghoff International at Ottsville PA, enquiries@krieghoff.com.
Alan
info on a shotgun Joe - 01:55 25/06/1999
I have a double barrel shotgun, and I beleive it is a 20
gauge, maybe a 16 I'll have to check later. The gun was made by Sempert & Kreighoff with a Krupp barrel. I am just trying to get enformation on what thier guns might be worth. From what I know, which isn't much, it was made by these two men in Suhl Germany and they were only making guns together for about 3-5 years. the gun is very light with a short stock which makes me think it was made special for a woman. I has the initals S and A overlaping eachother on the trigger guard. I could discribe a billion things on it but I must go get the gun. Once again I just need info on the guns made by these two men then I can get more specific. I need help from you. Ask me some questions about the gun when you E-mail me so we can figure out what the hell I've got. Thank you very much please write back.
Re: info on a shotgun Alan - 12:10 26/06/1999
Joe,
Sempert & Krieghoff was the name that the firm of Krieghoff in Germany was once known by. All the records of the company were destroyed during World War II and therefore I cannot provide you with any information at all regarding the gun. I could suggest that you contact Krieghoff in Ulm, Germany directly on krieghoff@krieghoff.de but I would expect the answer to be much the same. Any information that they have will be general, acquired over the years. Individual information on specific guns has been lost for ever.
Alan
Removable trigger, problematic? John Kissam - 18:50 26/06/1999
Great sight, thanks!
Alan,
I am considering purchasing a K-80 Combo for US Trap and am working with Hal du Pont in Florida. When I asked about the removable trigger option, the sales associate said they no longer recommended the option. They would include one free of charge if I so requested. I was informed they "have problems"; one even fell out during a shoot! They went on to say they will honor all warranties as will Krieghoff.
I appreciated their candor but was very surprised. I haven't heard anything to suggest the RT was problematic. Have you any information to share?
Thanks again for this opportunity and good shooting.
John Kissam
Re: Removable trigger - NO PROBLEM! Alan - 08:51 28/06/1999
Dear John,
I am sorry that you have received this worrying information on the RT but let me try to see if I can clear the situation up somehow. Firstly, to the best of my knowledge, Krieghoff have never recommended the RT as a substitute for the standard K-80 unless the shooter has a pressing need for a removeable trigger option. For example if you shoot a release for Trap but like to switch to a Pull unit for Sporting or Skeet but still use the same gun. In a situation such as this we recommend the RT without hesitation. If you do not need a removeable trigger becasue you always use the same trigger set-up, Pull/Pull, Release/Pull or Release/Release, then I always recommend the standard K-80, simply because this design has undergone constant refinement over the last 40 years (starting with the Model 32) and is just about as reliable a piece on equipment as it is possible to make. This refinement of design still continues even now, I was in the factory in Ulm last week and was shown two or three minor changes to the design of the internal parts, made not because they were needed but because modern materials and technology allow improvement that was not possible previously. As is a tradition with Krieghoff, the new improved parts can still be fitted to older model guns if required. The RT is a newer design and has not really been around long enough to be refined to the ultra-reliable stage that the K-80 has reached, perhaps after another 20 years or so.......?
Some of the early RT models were a little too sensitive and had to be finely tuned and kept that way otherwise there were some minor problems. I stress these were minor and fixed by Krieghoff without problem. Since then the design has been changed to correct these problems and the current RT is very very good. As an indication, I have an RT here in the UK as a demo gun with two trigger units, one Pull/Pull and the other Release/Pull, the second unit I can quickly change a part and make it into Release/Release. This gun is used heavily over here by a wide range of shooters of varying ability and experience, it has never malfunctioned in any way, ever! To me that says it all.
An RT at no extra cost is a good deal as the gun is slightly more expensive than a standard K-80.
Lastly, I have never heard of an RT trigger unit dropping out during a shoot although I have seen it happen with just about every other make of gun with a detachable trigger unit. I conceed that it would be possible with an RT but only if the owner had either not snapped the unit home fully or allowed the maechanism to become so full of dirt that the latch could not drop home. A broken latch could also cause it but I just cannot see it happening on an RT. The catch design is different than most other removeable unit guns and very unlikely not to latch but I guess it is just possible.
I hope this answers your query, bottom line is if you need a removeable unit then buy an RT with confidence, if not stick with the standard K-80.
Alan
Internet/E-mail addresses Tom McBroom - 22:22 05/07/1999
Deasr Alan:
Could you suppl me with the web sites and E-mail addresses for the factory in Ulm, And the US facility in Pennsylvania? Thank you.
Best regards,
Tom
Re: Internet/E-mail addresses Alan - 17:25 06/07/1999
Tom,
Info as follows:
H Krieghoff GmbH, Ulm, Germany. Web Site: www.krieghoff.de email: krieghoff@krieghoff.de
Krieghoff International, Ottsville PA. Web site: www.krieghoff.com email: info@krieghoff.com
K-80 Bore Size ? Don Blue - 03:36 06/07/1999
Hello Alan,
I recently purchased a new K-80 skeet gun and I truly love it.
I noticed on another post of yours that you had said that the bore size of new K-80's are .732 if the barrels are marked 18.6mm. I was wanting to buy some aftermarket choke tubes for it and is it safe to say that measurement is true, as I don't have a barrel mic to check it ?? My barrels are marked 18.6mm.
Thanks,
Don Blue
Re: K-80 Bore Size ? Alan - 17:41 06/07/1999
Hello Don,
Never take a marked bore size as gospel. You have to understand that the bore size is marked as a requirement of the Proof Authorities in Europe and it represents the measurement at 9" from the breech, it says nothing about what it might be up at the choke. Secondly, the way the proof system works is on a "Go" "No Go" system, that is to say that if a plug of 18.6 diameter will enter the bore but a plug of 18.7 will not, the barrel is marked 18.6mm, even though it might actually be 18.69999. This is better than it used to be, under the old Imperial system used in the UK there was 10 thou between sizes and we often saw new guns stamped .719" that measured .7285". (they would be classed as "out of proof" at .729"). The quality control at Krieghoff is as good as it gets but even so I would never get a replacement choke tube without actually measuring the bore. As a point of interest, in the UK the use of choke tubes not supplied by Krieghoff automatically voids the warranty on the barrels. This is because we have no control over the materials used or the manufacturing tolerances of other tubes and, more importantly, we have no way of knowing if the tubes fit the barrels with an adequate safety margin between tube and bore size. I know that some after market tubes are superb quality but we cannot extend our warranty to cover chokes that we have neither made or supplied.
Hope this answers your query.
Alan
Re: K-80 Bore Size ? Don Blue - 08:16 07/07/1999
Alan,
I had purchased my new K-80 from Chris Maest in New Jersey, I called him this morning and by chance he had
measured the bore size of my barrels and he told me what they were. I can see where your coming from about voiding the
warranty with aftermarket chokes.
Thanks for the reply,
Don Blue
Factory Warranty Tom McBroom - 14:34 09/07/1999
Good Morning Alan:
I have purchased a very early K-80 (S/N 12100) 4bbl. skeet set from the original owner. It's in marvelous condition, and has the factory leather case (Marked K-32 due to the fact that they didn't yet have cases marked for the K-80!). I was led to believe that the gun carried the factory lifetime parts warranty as it was bought through an American gun club in Germany. I sent an E-mail to Ulm, but have recieved no reply. Do you have any way of verifying this? Also, can you give me information as to the serial number that started the K-80 and an approximate manufacture date on this gun? Thank you for your help. Your website is a great source ofinformation! I read the new entries every few days!
Tom
Re: Factory Warranty Alan - 19:30 09/07/1999
Tom,
Sorry that you did not receive from Ulm in response to your email. I do know that they have a number of people on holiday at the moment and I guess this is why. The lowest number that I have personally seen on a K-80 is 12001, this gun belongs to friend of mine who lives only 5 miles from me. I have never asked the factory what number began the K-80 but I would guess it was very close to 12000. Your gun would have almost certainly have been made in 1980 but the factory will be able to confirm this. With regard to the warranty you will find that this varies from country to country. Here in the UK I offer a 10 year warranty on a new gun with an option to extend it subject to inspection and overhaul in our workshop. I do not know exactly what is offered in the USA but if you contact Krieghoff International at Ottsville PA, I am sure they will be able to tell you. I do not believe that the factory have ever offered a lifetime parts warranty although they may well decide to replace a broken part free of charge as a goodwill gesture. That is to say that they may well do this but it is not a written warranty as such.My own experience with everyone at Krieghoff has been that they value their customers highly and will always treat you fairly. The reason any company is shy of giving a lifetime parts warranty is because some people will abuse it. For example, I frequently get 20 year old K-Guns in the workshop that have never been stripped and cleaned since the day they left the factory, that they have worked till now is a tribute to the maker. Inevitably, some minor part has failed, usually because it could not force itself through the built up fouling any longer. In a few cases, the owner tries to claim a free part replacement on the grounds that it shouldn't really have broken! Sure and your car would still be running after 20 years without an oil change! Having said all that I would not worry, have your gun checked over ans serviced, either by Krieghoff International or one of their appointed Service Agents, and you will have no trouble with the gun.
Best regards,
Alan
Kreighoff classic Robin Wright - 21:00 09/07/1999
Hi Alan,
I'm back on the net after a lay off, so I thought I'd drop you line to tell you what a exstremely enjoyable weekend I had at the Kreighoff Classic, this is what D.T.L shooting should be about, good organisation and great prizes.
Well Done!
Regards
Robin
Re: Krieghoff Classic Alan - 22:37 09/07/1999
Thanks Robin, it was a lot of hard work but we all enjoyed doing it, comments like yours are very much appreciated.
Alan
Re: Kreighoff classic Raymond S Shenk - 02:21 04/07/2000
Hi Alan,
I'm back on the net after a lay off, so I thought I'd drop you line to tell you what a exstremely enjoyable weekend I had at the Kreighoff Classic, this is what D.T.L shooting should be about, good organisation and great prizes.
Well Done!
Regards
Robin
KGun grading Toppy Cohen - 03:31 27/07/1999
How do you tell the difference from a Crown Grade and a Super Crown Grade. I just purchased a K32 that appear to be 98 to 99% I has a Lab on one side and a Pointer on the other in gold. They are both in a silver oval with trees in the background. The receiver has gold wire outlining the receiver and raised gold dots around the main screws, on the bottom of the reciver is a gold crown with a silver circle around it. Above the crown is Kreighoff lettered in gold also a gold crown on the breach opener. The serial number is 627. I could not find a signature of the artist that did the engraving on the gun. I would like to know just what I have. Crown or Super Crown and who might have engraved the gun along with when it was manufactured. P.S. I was told that the gun was refinished by Kguns not long ago?
Thanks in advance and I'll be waiting for you reply.
Re: KGun grading Alan - 16:40 27/07/1999
The K-32 was a hand built gun and although there were "standard" patterns there are differences from gun to gun on the hand engraved grades. When a customer ordered a new Model 32 he may have specified the engraving andoften the request would be be something like one of the standard patterns but a change here or there, perhaps the addition of a particular logo or outline. Your number is very low and indicates a Model 32 from the early 60's. It is possible that the engraving has been added to the gun since it left the factory and therefore it may not be a Krieghoff pattern at all. The only way that you can find out exactly what you have is to contact Krieghoff with the serial number. If you are in the USA then you should contact Krieghoff International at Ottsville PA (krieghoff@krieghoff.com).
You must quote the serial number as without this there is no way that Krieghoff can help.
Alan
K-80 Rib Loose Don Blue - 05:25 27/07/1999
Hello Alan,
I purchased a new ? K-80 skeet gun three months ago, I use it for comp. skeet. I have noticed a vibration in the barrels when closing the gun since first getting it. While shooting yesterday the vibration noise got worse, after inspecting it I found that the rib is loose on the barrels,I can see the rib vibrate everytime I close the gun, also while inspecting the barrels and rib in the bright sunlight my barrels which are supposed to be new, have been re-blued. I called the dealer that I bought it from and he has told me that you can see flaws in all bluing jobs when inspected in bright light and that the blueing between the barrels and under the rib are always duller than the rest of the barrel ?? The factory stampings on the side of the barrel are barely readable, and the difference in the blueing between the barrels and I can also see places where the barrels have been polished thru the blueing while looking at it at an angle in the bright light, indicate to me that the barrels have been re-blued.
I know that you have no intrest in this problem, but, I have seen other new barrels that show no signs of the blueing being like mine.
Also, have you ever heard of a rib coming loose on a new K-80 before???
Thanks for any comments.
Don Blue
Re: K-80 Rib Loose Alan - 08:25 27/07/1999
Don,
I am very sorry to hear of this problem and it certainly should not be on a new K-80, in fact I would say I have never heard of, or seen, a rib come loose on a K-80. Have no worry, yours is a new gun and is 100% backed by Krieghoff, If the rib is loose they will be as apalled as you are. As you are in the USA call Norbert Hausseman at Krieghoff International (610 847 5173) and tell him about your problem, he will arrange to look at the barrels and will take it from there. As for the rebluing I really can't advise without seeing the barrels but from what you describe there seems to be some problem. Krieghoff blacking, as you already know, is a very deep rick color and although it is true to say that all blacking may reveal some flaws or color shades in strong sunlight, what you describe is not normal. Once again, I am sorry that you have this problem but you may be sure that Krieghoff will want to put it right. If you are concerned that a new gun may have been re-blued by someone other than Krieghoff before you bought it then contact Dieter Krieghoff directly (dk@krieghoff.com), I know that he will want to hear your concerns and will follow them up. You may of course tell him that you have spoken to me and I advised that you contact him.
Follow this through and you will get a result.
Best regards,
Alan
No Loose Rib Don Blue - 04:26 28/07/1999
Alan,
As for my original post about the rib being loose on my K-80 it turned out with closer inspection that it was not a loose rib.
As to the barrels being re-blued, I talked with Krieghoff Intl. this morning and was told that this was not an uncommon practice for them to re-blue a set of barrels. That if when they recieve a set of barrels that has some sort of blemish on them from shipping and handling that they will re-blue them before selling them to a dealer. This practice, I was not aware of and it caused me to think that the dealer that I bought my gun from had sold me a set of used barrels. I told them that when someone buys a new gun that they expect to have a new set of barrels not a set that has been re-blued because of some kind of blemish. I really don't like this practice and the problem is it's not a very good blueing job that was done on these barrels and my only option is to send them back to Krieghoff and they said they will re-blue them.
Thanks for your comments,
Don Blue
No Loose Rib/Bluing Alan - 08:43 28/07/1999
Don,
I can understand your point of view but I need to explain how things work for you. When guns arrive from the factory they have been checked over and packed and are generally blemish free, however, human nature being what it is, I sometimes find a small scratch or blemish on the bluing, especially under the middle hanger if we need to turn it round for example. It also can happen that the gun can get a mark whilst it is in inventory as we cannot store them in their packing. This is a real problem for me if it happens as I do not have re-bluing facilities on site. Now I have this problem here in the UK with a smaller number of guns and personal handling and inspection of each one, it must be much greater at Krieghoff International and any other gun importer. So marked barrels are re-blued but this is not really a big deal, when the guns are new the barrels are polished by hand and blacked by craftsmen trained in this operation, it is no different at Krieghoff International. The guys in the workshop there are all factory trained, one or two of them are even ex-factory, Norbert was head of the K-80 department in Germany before moving to the USA. Any work done at KI will be to the same standard as that done in Germany, Dieter Krieghoff has made sure that is the case. You are not happy with the bluing on your barrels and you are correct, the job should be perfect on a new gun no matter if it was done at the factory or KI. I know from my past experience of owning a gun store that new guns sometimes pick up a mark on the shelf, in which case the dealer has to get them re-blacked. I am not saying that this happened with your gun but it certainly does happen. I am sure that KI will re-blue your barrels exactly as you want them but I do urge you to call Norbert and speak to him personally so that he is aware of the problem. The Grand American is coming soon and most of their gunsmiths, Norbert included, will be at Vandalia so bear that in mind when you pick a time to send the barrels.
Alan
Re: No Loose Rib/Bluing Don Blue - 16:39 28/07/1999
Alan,
I talked with Norbert yesterday and he explained everything. My problem with this whole thing was, I had jumped to the conclusion that I had got a used set of barrels instead of a new set, which I had good reason to believe, as I had no knowledge of KI's procedure's.
I purchased my K-80 from Chris Maest and I have dealt with him before and I knew he was one of the most honest and professional person and gunsmith that I have ever met. I feel really bad now that this whole chain of events had caused me to doubt his integrity.
I have talked with Chris and I'm going to wait until this shooting season is over and he is going to have the blueing problem taken care of.
Thanks Again,
Don Blue
Don,
I can understand your point of view but I need to explain how things work for you. When guns arrive from the factory they have been checked over and packed and are generally blemish free, however, human nature being what it is, I sometimes find a small scratch or blemish on the bluing, especially under the middle hanger if we need to turn it round for example. It also can happen that the gun can get a mark whilst it is in inventory as we cannot store them in their packing. This is a real problem for me if it happens as I do not have re-bluing facilities on site. Now I have this problem here in the UK with a smaller number of guns and personal handling and inspection of each one, it must be much greater at Krieghoff International and any other gun importer. So marked barrels are re-blued but this is not really a big deal, when the guns are new the barrels are polished by hand and blacked by craftsmen trained in this operation, it is no different at Krieghoff International. The guys in the workshop there are all factory trained, one or two of them are even ex-factory, Norbert was head of the K-80 department in Germany before moving to the USA. Any work done at KI will be to the same standard as that done in Germany, Dieter Krieghoff has made sure that is the case. You are not happy with the bluing on your barrels and you are correct, the job should be perfect on a new gun no matter if it was done at the factory or KI. I know from my past experience of owning a gun store that new guns sometimes pick up a mark on the shelf, in which case the dealer has to get them re-blacked. I am not saying that this happened with your gun but it certainly does happen. I am sure that KI will re-blue your barrels exactly as you want them but I do urge you to call Norbert and speak to him personally so that he is aware of the problem. The Grand American is coming soon and most of their gunsmiths, Norbert included, will be at Vandalia so bear that in mind when you pick a time to send the barrels.
Alan
Model 32 vs K-80 Stephen - 00:52 06/08/1999
I am looking at getting a M-32 and with what I have
been able to find out the M-32 and the K-80 are very
very similar guns. Most of the new K-80 parts will fit
the M-32, wood, trigger etc. If that is the case why
is there such a price difference between the two on
the used market. Am I missing something or is it a case
of shotgunner prejudice against the older model. Is
the K-80 two to three times better than the M-32 as the
used prices indicate? If so what is it that makes that
makes that much difference? Looking forward to hearing
from you. Keep up the great work.
Re: Model 32 vs K-80 Alan - 08:28 06/08/1999
Although the K-80 is a development of the Model 32 and shares the same basic receiver design there are many differences. Philosophy at Krieghoff has always been continued development and refinement so every time they see something that can be improved on they do it. This may be a change of design or just a better material but if it makes the gun better then the change is made. At the end of the 1970s some fairly major changes were made to the design and it was decided that a new designation - K80 - was appropriate. There was another major change made around serial number 20,000 when new style hammers and sears were fitted. Although many K-80 parts will retrofit a Model 32 I can promise you that the guns are very different now. There are many subtle changes to various parts and some major ones to things like hammers etc. Some of these new parts cannot be fitted into Model 32 guns. This is not to say that the Model 32 is not a good gun, in fact at the prices they can be obtained for it is a very good buy. You do have to accept though that a Model 32 does not have the benefit of the improved design and materials used in the K-80, consequently it would be unrealistic to expect it to be as reliable. If things break the parts are still available but sometimes pretty extensive modification has to be undertaken to get a new style part to fit, this can be expensive. The difference in values between K-80 and Model 32 reflects this.
Alan
German 5.4 mm rifle Eric Hood - 02:30 07/08/1999
I have a German rifle dated 1935, it is 22
caliber or 5.4mm, single shot with waffenstadt at the breech and with suhl at the bottom of a crest with a castle,something in the gateway and tools at the top
center. the barrel has Deutiches Gportmodell
and is 25 inches long or 62 cm. The barrel
and the breech have what seems like a crown B,
a crown and a U.And the number 6920. And on
the barrel Roechlingstahl.This is a single shot, bolt action 5.4 mm rifle. The safety is a flip lever on the bolt. The bolt is released by a lever on the Left Side. The sites are incremented from 25 to 200 metres with a slide forward selection for distance. There is a castle coat of arms on top of the breech with cross tools between the forecastle and an open gate with some type of figure in the gateway. Would like to know
if you have info on any of this message of the rifle? Thanks
Eric
Re: German 5.4 mm rifle Alan - 08:54 07/08/1999
I am not able to help you with this rifle as I cannot recognise a makers name from your description. I can tell you that it was made in Suhl which was a major gunmaking centre of Germany. My knowledge of the German language is limited but I would translate "Waffenstadt" as "Gun Town" which may be a reference to Suhl. Your "Deutiches Gportmodell" is probably Deutches Sportmodell, literally German Sporting Model. "Roechlingstahl" will be the type of barrel steel, "stahl" being steel. The other marks you describe are Proof marks and makers trade marks. Certainly someone would recognise the crest that you describe and be able to pair it with a maker, regrettably, I cannot. It may be worth you trying one of the search engines and looking for Suhl+Museum. If you find one send a detailed description and a sketch of the crest, has to be worth a try.
Alan
Re: German 5.4 mm rifle Alan - 09:10 07/08/1999
After replying to your query I followed my own advice out of interest and used AltaVista.idgital.com to search for information. Suhl+museum brought up information on the Museum of Firearms - Suhl.
Waffenmuseum Suhl
Friedrich-König-Straß 19
D-98527 Suhl
Tel: 03681 7206 98
Fax: 03681 7213 08
To call drop the zero in front of the three and dial your international access code plus the country code, 49 for Germany.
I then looked for Suhl and found at Suhl-online, The Gunmakers of Suhl who have their own website at www.gunmakers.org/ It is in English and has a forum for you to post questions. I see that you have already found that as your gun is already listed. Hope someone can identify it for you.
Alan
Re: German 5.4 mm rifle Mark Stolzenbach - 23:31 13/11/1999
I have the exact same rifle and was glad to see someone else asking the same questions I was. Mine is the same in everyway described in this post. The rifle in my possession lacks a trigger guard screw and the sling and has some rust on the blued barrel. Let me know if you find if this rifle is worth restoring.
Wansee tests Russell - 19:35 18/08/1999
Has anybody ever obtained, or read the entire Wansee
patterning tests?
If so, are they available today?
Are they available in english?
Re: Wansee tests Alan - 08:24 28/08/1999
Russell,
I can't help you on this one, I am aware of the tests you mention but I have never read them. I have made some enquiries and searched the internet for any reference but without anything helpful turning up. The tests are known as the Berlin-Wansee tests but although I can find a reference I cannot find any more information.
Best regards,
Alan
Sitcky Trigger Jim T. - 01:56 31/08/1999
Recently my k-80 RT trigger has been hanging up. This has occured just after I finished cleaning it with solvent/degreaser, Then applying break-free gun oil liberally to all parts. I pull the trigger to set the release and it clicks, but when I release it the trigger either hangs up and won't fire, fires slowly or works perfectly. A friend recommended that I use kreighoff grease and pack it in where the release sear is and it seems to have solved the problem, but wanted to inquire of you if this was the correct solution,and what the problem may be.I know krieghoff frowns on using degreaser on internal parts, but with the removable trigger my gunsmith(a certified Kreighoff repair center) said cleaning the trigger in this way was acceptable. any advice welcomed. My gunsmith is of the traveling sort, following trapshoots all summer,then taking the winter off, so he will be unavailable till next March.I felt I had to clean the trigger as it was getting too mucked up and I was worried about rust,(none yet!).
Re: Sitcky Trigger Alan - 10:51 03/09/1999
Jim,
Sorry that you are having problems with your RT. The problem with using a strong solvent/degreaser on a release trigger unti is that it removes ALL lubrication. I am not surprised that it causes trouble after this treatment. Neither can I recommend packing the sear area with grease as, although this may prove a temporary cure, it is bound to cause the mechanism to stick. The tolerances on release trigger units are set up very fine, they have to be, and consequently they can be more prone to trouble. I always recommend that the unit is properly serviced at the end of every season, that way you can be sure of a trouble free year. My strong recommendation to you is to contact Norbert Haussman in the service department at Krieghoff International, tel: 610 847 5173 (nh@krieghoff.com)and he will advise you. A release unit that is sticking can be dangerous and I do not advise you continue to use it until the problem has been corrected.
Best regards,
Alan
K-80 wood John Winter - 07:03 31/08/1999
What has to be done to make standard k-80 wood fit an RT model or can this be done at all.
Re: K-80 wood Alan - 10:55 03/09/1999
John,
sorry but you cannot make a K-80 stock fit the K-80 RT. The bottom strap is much wider to accomodate the trigger unti and therefore the slot in the head of the stock is not wide enough. Also if you look at the top strap you will see that the K-80 reduces in width in two steps whilst the RT top strap is tapered. Additionally to this you will see that the recoil lug at the back of the receiver is totally different.
Alan
K-32 wood Jerry Wurtz - 15:01 17/11/1999
I have a beautiful stock and forearm which was custom fitted for me on my old K-32. I would like to purchase a new K-80. Can my wood be fitted to the K-80?
Thanks for your help.
Re: K-32 wood Alan - 10:58 20/11/1999
Alamost certainly. There may be one or two minor adjustments needed, the biggest of which is inletting for the point of the K-80 trigger guard, apart from that it will only be seeing that the stock is properly headed-up to the new receiver. One word of caution, if your Model 32 is a very old gun you may just find that the woodwork will not fit easily to a K-80. This is normally not the case but I have come across it once or twice. The easiest way is to try your wood on a K-80 before you buy it, all you will need to do is unscrew the trigger guard and then slip in the receiver. It will still need fitting properly before you shoot it but you will be able to see if the wood fits.
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