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Makers marks McPherson - 21:36 07/08/2000
Do you know of a site where I can view Makers Marks.If not Can you give me a book reference? I have 16guage ,double barrel, hammer type shotgun with no name at all. there are a number of "marks" bottom side barrel . The one which might be the maker is shaped like a hand grenade with an open sort of crown at the top. Any help appreciated.Thanks C R McPherson Yellville Ark.
Re: Makers marks Alan - 23:18 08/08/2000
I do not know of any book covering makers marks across various countries although there may be one. The marks you have on your gun are most likely Proof Marks. If you can make a sketch or rubbing and send it to me by fax or email I can take a look and see if I recognise anything. I should at least be able to identify the Country of manufacture and possibly a date. If we are really lucky there may be a local mark specific to the Town. My email you have, fax is +44 1978 780 490.
Alan
k-80 for sporting j. hardwicke - 18:45 21/08/2000
alan, do you think that a k-80 is too much of a handfull for english sporting ?
Re: k-80 for sporting Alan - 15:51 28/08/2000
Sorry for the late reply, I have been in Belgium the last week for the World FITASC Championsip and only returned last night.
The short answer to you question is no. The K-80 is a heavy gun but only when you pick it up. Once in the shoulder it is very fast to the target but without the unpredictable handling you get with some guns. It does take some getting used too as the K-80 is like no other gun but once you become familiar you will find it shoots very well and with lower recoil. I would be interested to hear in what way you find the gun "too much of a handful" as all at Krieghoff always appreciate customer feedback.
Alan
Re: k-80 for sporting j.hardwicke - 22:38 31/08/2000
Sorry for the late reply, I have been in Belgium the last week for the World FITASC Championsip and only returned last night.
The short answer to you question is no. The K-80 is a heavy gun but only when you pick it up. Once in the shoulder it is very fast to the target but without the unpredictable handling you get with some guns. It does take some getting used too as the K-80 is like no other gun but once you become familiar you will find it shoots very well and with lower recoil. I would be interested to hear in what way you find the gun "too much of a handful" as all at Krieghoff always appreciate customer feedback.
Alan thank you for your reply alan, i meant no disrespect to the gun, i was wondering if using a gun as heavy as a k-80,being quite a slow,steady shooter, it would slow me down any further ?
Re: k-80 for sporting Alan - 10:47 01/09/2000
I did not think you implied any disrespect, my apologies for my sometimes blunt replies. In my experience the K-80 does not slow shooters down at all as it is an extremely fast pointing gun and because of the stability most shooters find they have more confidence to pull the trigger. It is often interesting to me to see how a shooter speeds up as he gets into the gun. I can always arrange for you to have a demo, that way you can try the handling out for yourself. This is assuming that you live in the UK that is. If you are in another country it should still be possible through a Krieghoff Dealer in that country. I would be pleased to help if possible.
Alan
K32 old ver or new Curt Goyette - 11:20 06/09/2000
Allan,
How can you tell what version a K32 is the old being less Upgradaable to K80 triggers and the newer version which you can upgrade to K80 triggers easily.
What seriel number did this change happen?
Bottom line how can I tell that a K32 is the old version or newer version. I know that top latch has some kind of pin differance.
Curt
Re: K32 old ver or new Alan - 22:16 06/09/2000
The easiest way to tell the difference is to look at the little catch on the right side of the receiver that holds back the top latch. On the older guns it is a very small catch sitting right back almost under the top latch. On later models it is just about identical to the K-80 being bigger and sitting further forward. This later latch fits into a slot in the side of the receiver and is held in place by a screw sitting just above and forward of the cross pin that runs through the firing pin housing. The older latch sits in a cutout and is not held by a screw but has a small pin that engages in a hole in the receiver side. The end of this pin is visible on the right side of the receiver. In short if it has a screw it is the later model. I can't tell you the exact serial number that this change was introduced from.
Alan
Re: K32 old ver or new Curt Goyette - 02:10 07/09/2000
Do you think a 9800 serial number on a crown grade would be the new version?
Curt
Also when was a 9800 vserial made?
Re: K32 old ver or new Alan - 08:20 07/09/2000
I think a serial number in the 9000 range is most likely to be an early pattern, all the late models I have seen are in the 11000 range. My best guess for serial number 9800 would be 1976/77.
Alan
Re: K32 old ver or new Curt Goyette - 08:53 07/09/2000
Can K80 triggers be put in a 9800 seriel number?
Curt
Re: K32 old ver or new Alan - 17:09 07/09/2000
Some updating work can be done in the older model 32s. As for the trigger it depends on what you mean. I can see no reason why a complete K-80 trigger assembley could not be fitted into an old Model 32 and you would then have the benefit of stronger axle for the selector and the adjustable trigger. The sears are another thing. It may be possible to update the sears to the latest type using coil springs but this would involve at the least, 2 new sears, a new top lever guide block, new type sear springs and guides and two new sideplates. There may be other things that would need changing or modifying. Theoretically it is possible but at some cost.
Alan
cracking stocks justin - 19:15 12/09/2000
alan, this is'nt about a kreighoff, but can you help. a lot of people at the moment are having trouble with stocks cracking on kemen guns. have you heard about this ? , if so, do you know what is the cause ?
Re: cracking stocks Alan - 20:45 12/09/2000
I can only comment generally. The main reason that stocks crack is becasue they have not been headed up correctly. Heading up is making sure that the stock fits properly at the critical load bearing points where it contacts the action body. Today many guns have "interchangeable" stocks but they are not intended to be such a perfect fit that you can switch stocks from gun to gun without any need to fine fit. Any gun with such a stock system is going to get cracked stocks unless the heading is checked and adjusted when the stock is changed. I have no doubt that we would have this problem with the K-80 except for the fact that all my dealers are well briefed in what they need to check when swapping a stock. I guess even this is not foolproof but to date I have not had a single cracked stock on a K-80 in the UK. There are other reasons for stocks cracking such as the use of inferior or improperly seasoned wood or just plain bad design. Without looking at individual cases this is about as much as I can say but I would wonder how many original factory fitted stocks break, my guess would be that in most cases the stock has been changed.
chokes j. - 22:41 13/09/2000
if i buy a fixed choke k-80, can i choose the chokes or are they a set size ?
Re: chokes Alan - 18:56 14/09/2000
You can have any choke you want. We normally keep fixed choke K-80s in 3/4 and Full and bore them to customers requirements. This allows us to keep inventory to a reasonable level and still provide quick delivery. There is no extra charge for chokes bored to your specification.
Alan
doubling and jamming stellan magnusson - 19:03 15/09/2000
I´m wondering about a doubling problem whith my K-80.
When I first have this problem I tried to change the barrel choser so the top barrel will go off first, but the only thing that happens whas that I could`t get a shot at all.How could this happend?
Thankful for an answer.
Stellan from Sweden
Re: doubling and jamming Alan - 22:26 15/09/2000
If you have only just begun to experience this problem , having shot your K-80 without problem in the past, my guess is a broken selector axle. This is the part that carries the selector pair in the trigger mechanism. On earlier K-80s this could break and is known to cause doubling. Later models have a redesigned axle and do not break. When you push the selector across the pear is dropping between the two sears and cannot be lifted high enough for the gun to fire. There could be other causes but that is my best guess in this case. Can you let me have the serial number of the gun or at least the first 3 numbers? this repair will be covered under warranty as is the doubling whatever the cause. You can contact the factory directly, krieghoff@krieghoff.de, and they will advise you on the best way to get the repair done. Alternatively you can send the receiver to me in the UK and I will be happy to do the repair, email me before doing this as we need to get the paperwork organised. I recommend contacting the factory in the first instance.
Alan
Re:doubling and jamming stellan magnusson - 20:01 17/09/2000
I already get my K80 "fixed" by Smalandska Vapen here in Sweden for a fee of 100 dollars.If I only knew that I could get it repared for free....
The only thing I didn`t like when I get it back was the triggerpressure,but I hopefully get used to it...
Where can I find the seriellnumber so I can mail it to you?
Thanks for your time
Stellan magnusson
Re:doubling and jamming Alan - 22:09 17/09/2000
The serial number can be found on the top edge of the receiver on the left side, under the barrel wing.
You mention the trigger pull weight, has this changed? Fixing the doubling should not have changed the trigger pulls unless these were soo light as to be jarring off with the recoil but this is unlikely unless you have had some work done to make them lighter. If you are not happy with things as they are I suggest that you allow either the factory or myself to check it over for you, as I said, this will be for no charge.
Alan
Re:doubling and jamming Stellan Magnusson - 19:30 18/09/2000
The serial number can be found on the top edge of the receiver on the left side, under the barrel wing.
You mention the trigger pull weight, has this changed? Fixing the doubling should not have changed the trigger pulls unless these were soo light as to be jarring off with the recoil but this is unlikely unless you have had some work done to make them lighter. If you are not happy with things as they are I suggest that you allow either the factory or myself to check it over for you, as I said, this will be for no charge.
Alan
Thanks for your time once again.
You see,I don´t really trust my weapon anymore.The only thing that comes to mind is that the doubling will be back and so this thing whith the pressure.Sometimes for a split of a second it feels that the shot will not go off.Ofcourse the shot go off but it feels like the pressure is jamming for a hundreds of a second.It´s very difficult to explain but I get a funny feeling and ofcourse it will be a happy pigeon that flyes further on.
My seriel number is:12317
Maybe I should send it to you and if I do shall I mail the hole gun or only a part of it?
Thanks again from Stellan
(I hope you understand what I means because my English is not really my birth laungage.)
Re:doubling and jamming Alan - 22:09 18/09/2000
Stellan,
It is natural that you have this feeling - doubling is not very nice. The feeling will pass as you gain confidence and then you will be ok again. It is possible that you have another problem causing the trigger to feel as if it is jammed but it is more likely that you have developed a flinch because you are afraid it will double again. If this is the case it will pass as your confidence grows. The first thing to do is to check what your trigger pull weights are, you need some sort of fairly accurate spring balance for this. Anything between 3.5 lbs (1500gm) and 4.5 lbs (2000 gm) is fine and should not cause a problem. Lighter than 1500 gm may cause the gun to double especially with heavy loads and over 2000 gm is a little hard. My own gun is set at 5lbs (2250 gm) as I like a crisp pull and I do tend to hang onto the trigger a bit as I swing onto the target. Of course you can send the gun to me or the factory but check the pull weights first. If they are correct then perhaps you should allow a little time to see if the problem goes when you have shot a few more cartridges. If you are sending the gun then it is best to send it complete. Contact me before sending as we need to get details of where the gun is to be returned and the necessary documents. The serial number tells me that it was made around 1980 and so my guess about the broken axle may have been correct. Your command of English is fine and I understand you perfectly.
Alan
k80 o/u wgray - 11:55 20/09/2000
Where can I purchase,a second-hand k80 o/u.I reside
in the UK
Re: k80 o/u Alan - 12:37 20/09/2000
Used K-80s are at a premium just now and have been for some time. Good clean used guns tend to get snapped up very quickly. Your best hope would be to ring round the Krieghoff Main Dealers listed on this site under dealers. I know that some of them have got some used guns but this can change from day to day. As a point of interest, any K-80 bought from one of our Main Dealers will carry warranty. We are looking at some way of putting a used K-80 list on the site that the dealers can add and remove guns on a daily basis but so far it is not workable.
Alan
28 Gauge Barrel Leo - 14:56 26/09/2000
Alan, I am interested in buying a 28 gauge o/u for small game and sporting clay shooting here in the US.
What do you think about getting a barrel for my K80 trap combo? I shoot double release triggers, and find it almost impossible to shoot without them (flinch problems). My stock has an adjustable comb. I realize that the K20 is available, but I don't want to spend that much money for a gun that I won't use that much. I would like to know if the K20 can be purchased with release triggers?
Can the barrels be purchased with choke tubes? Do they need to be fitted? What about used K80 or K32 barrels?
Do you have any used barrels for sale? I assume you could sell used barrels in the US?
Thanks
Re: 28 Gauge Barrel Alan - 16:47 26/09/2000
Hi Leo,
You can get 28g barrels to fit your K-80 but, to the best of my knowledge, they have only ever been made in Skeet spec, that is 28" fixed skeet chokes. You could of course have them converted to screw-in choke without any problem. Krieghoff have made 20g barrels for the K-80 in both 30 and 32" length with screw-in chokes already fitted, style of the choke is exactly the same as the 12g sporting barrels. The only drawback with these barrels is that they actually weigh a little more than the comparable barrels in 12g. This is due to the extra metal in the breech area between the receiver and the bore. I am not sure about release triggers in the field but if you feel that they will not be a problem I bow to that opinion. Many shooters with a flinch problem on clays do not suffer from it in the field and can use a pull trigger without problem. It is worth trying as it is definitely the way to go if you can. The K-20 has 28g and .410 barrels available both with factory fitted screw-in chokes and the gun is a gem in all gauges. A release trigger is not offered as an option but I would think it possible and you could speak to Norbert Haussman at Krieghoff International about that. Extra barrel sets for either the K-80 or K-20 do need to be hand fitted but this is not a problem, just make sure it is done properly - the cost is low. Lastly, I do not sell either new or used barrels into the US market. It is not economically viable for either of us and there are too many complications.
Alan
Forcing cones - Browning B425 Anil - 17:45 02/10/2000
There is a theory that lengthening the forcing cones of a shotgun, (a) reduces felt recoil considerably and (b) improves pattern quality. Is this correct? I would like your opinion on whether the forcing cones of a Browning B 425 Trap need any alterration? Thanks. Anil..
Re: Forcing cones - Browning B425 Alan - 19:32 02/10/2000
I wouldn't describe this as a theory, more of a fact. Lengthening the forcing cones does reduce recoil and improves pattern quality in most guns. Recoil is reduced because the abrupt step from the chamber to the bore is removed leaving a more gradual lead into the barrel. Becasue the shot has an easier transition less of the pellets are deformed and round shot flies more truly. This means that more pwellets appear in the killing zone of the pattern improving quality. I can't comment on the forcing cones in your gun without seeing it. I would recommend that you take it to any experienced gunsmith and ask his opinion.
Alan
Re: Forcing cones - Browning B425 Anil - 17:53 08/12/2000
Thank you Allen for your reply. I am sure you are correct about the advantages
of lengthening forcing cones. However, I cannot understand why top gun-makers do
not design their barrels in this fashion. There may be some explanation for this?
I would like your views. THanks.
Anil.
k80 4 barrel set Beninatos Gun Shop, Frank P. Beninato - 22:05 05/10/2000
I am looking for a k80 4 barrel set with case. Condition must be new or near perfect if used. Please contact me at above email.
Frank P. Beninato
Re: k80 4 barrel set Alan - 12:25 06/10/2000
We don't see too many barrel sets here in the UK and those that are around are normally K-32 barrels with the screwed extractor. If you are located outside the UK then you will probably find shipping costs and impoirt duties make the job not viable.
congratulations des barber - 08:21 09/10/2000
congratulations on making the best guns i've ever owned. my question is my gun is an older model 32 and what i need is a diagram showing the parts and part numbers so i can order any parts i may need. The s/n is 7035 and the gun came with two sets of barrels 30' 3/4 & full 26' sk&sk tular chokes thank you des barber
Re: congratulations Alan - 09:02 09/10/2000
Thanks for the kind words. I do have, somewhere, a very old exploded drawing showing part numbers etc. I had intended to get it set up on this site but have been waiting to get a new/better copy before I scanned it in. I will look at what I can do but the quality may not be good enough, plus it was printed on a coloured paper and that will probably make getting a good image difficult.
Alan
loyalty justin - 12:32 15/10/2000
do krieghoff award prizes to loyal users if they win a competition ?
Re: loyalty Alan - 20:40 15/10/2000
Hi Justin,
We do not have a specific "loyalty points scheme" but Krieghoff have a policy of valuing all their customers and are not slow to recognise and support achievement.
Alan
test j.hardwicke - 12:34 15/10/2000
Would it be possible to try a demo gun if i consider buying a k-80 ?
Re: test Alan - 20:44 15/10/2000
No problem at all. If you live in the UK you can arrange a demo through any of the Krieghoff Main Dealers listed on this site. Alternatively you can call me and I will be pleased to arrange that for you. One word of caution, I never believe that much is gained by simply picking up a K-80 at a dealer and going out and blasting a few targets, you will gain much more from the test if you arrange with the dealer to accompany you and show you some of the features and characteristics of the gun. Not all our dealers are able to do this but I can make a specific recommendation if you let me know what area of the country you are in.
Alan
Brocken Extractor Ken Vigee - 17:03 15/10/2000
Need telephone #,email address,etc.,to have my extractor repaired ASAP. Reguards, KOV
Re: Brocken Extractor Alan - 20:47 15/10/2000
You need to give me some help here. Where do you live? Krieghoff Service, this website, is based in the UK and you can call us for repair or complete the Service/Repair booking form that you will find under "Servicing" alongside this page.. If you live in the USA then you need to contact Krieghoff International. You can find the details of their Service Dept on www.krieghoff.com.
Alan
KS5-SPECIAL RECOIL REDUCER KEN SPAANEM - 19:35 19/10/2000
HI ALAN - I SHOOT A KS5- SPECIAL AND I LOVE THE GUN. I WOULD LIKE TO TRY A RECOIL REDUCER AND I'M LOOKING FOR ADVICE ON WHICH TYPE OR MAKE TO BUY. ARE YOU FAMILAR WITH THR RAD COUNTERCOIL? DO YOU KNOW WHERE I COULD FIND THEM? PLEASE ADVISE. THANK YOU, SPOONY
Re: KS5-SPECIAL RECOIL REDUCER Alan - 20:19 19/10/2000
Sorry but I can't really help you on this one as recoil reducers are not that common here in the UK. The few that we do see are made in the USA and I really don't know that much about them. Krieghoff do use the BreaKO recoil reducer in the Classic Big Five Rifle and as I understand it it works quite well. This reducer is supplied through Kay Ohye.
Regards,
Alan
Old Sempe't Krieghoff Rifle Bob Dunn - 16:42 26/10/2000
Allen, you have heard it many times and have answerd the same "the Russins destroyed the factory". I need help of a different type: The single barrel rifle I have was made at the Suhl Plant before WW11. I need help in idenifing the gauge and if its black powder.Its has three crowns with a "B", "G", & "U"
there are two sets of numbers 1453 & 6749 which are not SN. The SN is 4836. On the side of the barrel 3.5 gr N.P.G. and under this is 18 gr Bl. I know what the German marks (crowns) mean but the other I can not find, can you help
Re: Old Sempe't Krieghoff Rifle Alan - 23:15 26/10/2000
Bob, I am sorry but I cannot help you. there is very little information at all regarding guns made in the old factory before WWII. the numbers mean nothing to me at all and I do not think they refer to the calibre. You could email the factory and ask there but I would not hold out too much hope. their email is krieghoff@krieghoff.de Good luck.
Alan
K32 105x serial and new triggers and wood curt - 04:39 27/10/2000
Allan,
I want to buy this beautiful K32 Monte Carlo but the serial is in teh 105x range and I am worried that K80 wood will not fit and K80 triggers? I understand that old real old K32's have smaller dimensions that create real problems for wood upgrades to K80.
Also once I but a 30 inch Barrel and k80 WOOD
Re: K32 105x serial and new triggers and wood Alan - 09:04 27/10/2000
There can be some problems in fitting K-80 wood to old Model 32s. If the number you quote is a four digit number, that is one thousand and something, then your gun is quite old. I would estimate somewhere in the early 60s. If the number is five digits, that is ten thosand and something, then the gun is very similar to early K-80s and you should have no problem fitting the wood. A gun with a 10,000+ serial number will be in the late 70s.
Apart from the obvious difference in the trigger guard, which is not much of a problem, there are some slight differences in the receiver and getting a good fit with K-80 wood can be a problem. My suggestion is that you call Norbert Haussman at Krieghoff International in Ottsville PA ( 610 847 5173). Norbert will be able to advise you on what is possible and the likely difficulties in doing the job.
Alan
Insurance justin - 18:29 29/10/2000
After reading your comments on gun insurance in this month's clayshooting magazine, could you please recommend a good company as you qouted that it should cost around £17 per thousand and the only quote that i have had was £50 per year for a gun worth £1350.
Re: Insurance Alan - 08:50 30/10/2000
There are many ways to insure your gun but all should be broadly in the same area price wise. Normally this is 1.5% of the value plus insurance premium tax which I believe is 7%. That means that your gun works out at £21.67. If you have house contents insurance you should find no difficulty in adding your gun as Sports Equipment. It may be listed as an item of special value and you will need an insurance valuation. My house insurers offer this facility and the cover is excellent, All Risks and including 30 day outside the UK in each year without the need to notify. A firm specialising in gun insurance is Norman F Cooper, Tel: 01279 652166. Mr Cooper has been offering gun insurance for many years and you will find him very helpful.
Alan
german sword proof mark? Mike Hensley - 20:19 30/10/2000
I have a german sword which I believe to be WW2 era. I am trying to find out what the proof mark of an eagle with open wings with the number Wa253 under it means.
Re: german sword proof mark? Alan - 16:32 31/10/2000
Sorry but I have no knowledge of German sword making nor the marks used. My guess would be that the mark is nothing more than a military mark and that the number indicates is an indentification for issue but that is just a guess. I am sure that there will be a website somewhere covering German WWII Militeria and I sufggest you try looking for that using one of the search engines.
Alan
insurance justin - 18:24 07/11/2000
Thanks for the recommendation alan, but yet again i was quoted around £50 for insurance.do you have any suggestions ?
Re: insurance Alan - 11:58 08/11/2000
I am as puzzled as you as I am only paying 1.5% plus tax and I know that this is the figure my colleague in the office is paying also. I can only assume that there is a minimum figure after which the standard rate comes into play. I will ask around and see what I can find out.
Alan
8mm Mauser Kenny - 15:42 09/11/2000
Hello Alan I have an old german 8mm mauser that has alot of detailed work on it,from what I can tell it is european. The name engraved(or stamped)is R.Hoffman Uelzer. The gun has been sported. It has a slotted ramp to the front sight with a vertical slot for the front bead. Strap mounts(3/4)one one the stock and one on the barrel.No serial number but 3337 on the mauser action. The work is of extremely high quality. Can you tell me anything about this gun and or gunsmith R.Hoffman.. Its value and age
Thank you very much
Kenny
Re: 8mm Mauser Alan - 17:27 09/11/2000
Hello Kenny,
Sorry but I have no information on the gun you describe. You have to understand that there were and are today, many gunsmiths. Most likely yours is a pre WWII gun and the firm that made it may be no longer in business. I suggest that you search for a German Museum of Firearms web site and ask the question there. There are a number of such sites and most search engines will find something.
Sorry I can't help.
Alan
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