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8mm Kenny - 23:30 13/11/2000
Alan
I have a german 8mm that has been sporterized, the craftmanship is of excellent quality. The name of the gunsmith is R.Hoffman Uelzer, The front sight has a ramp with with quality checking and a lateral slot for the front sight. the number on the mauser action is 3337 and a 541 on the bottom of the clip(fixed. Two 3/4 strap mounts, one on the back stock and another on the barrel. It has a quick mount over under scope. The scope is a tribar with very little mag. and no view adjustment.The scope mounts by hooking the front into the fix mount and snaps in the back. I am interesete if you know this gunsmith(probaly european) and what model this is. And maybe the value.
Thank you
Re: 8mm Alan - 00:13 14/11/2000
Kenny,
I have already replied to you earlier question below on the same subject. I do not have any information on this rifle. sorry, I wish I could help but I cannot.
Alan
GL Raush Drilling Will Dobbins - 02:14 14/11/2000
I was wondering if anyone knew of a place to learn more about this drilling?
Best regards,
Will
Re: GL Raush Drilling Alan - 08:13 14/11/2000
Will,
My best suggestion is to go to one of the search engines and look for "Firearms Museums, European" or if you know the country that the drilling was made then substitute that country for the word "European". You should find something and ask the question there.
Alan
Drillings - PLEASE READ Alan - 08:22 14/11/2000
From time to time various visitors to this site post questions about old German made rifles and drillings. I have no information on this subject, not eevn on the Sempert & Krieghoff made pre-war drillings. The reasons have been covered comprehensively here many times in the past. I have been looking for a source of this info and I suggest that you try the search engines. I just visited altavista.com and typed into the search field - rifles and drillings, Germany - this brought up quite a list of possible locations which looked promising. Varying the search request may bring even better results. Happy hunting!
Alan
Stock alterations Con Kapralos - 00:31 20/11/2000
Dear Alan,
I have a general question regarding on how to alter a stock.I have just aquired a very
well conditioned Fabarm for a snip of a price, but the friend I purchased it from is left handed, thus it
had a LH stock - I am however right handed. My other stocks have cast for a RH shooter, this one is cast for
a LH shooter.
Upon shouldering the gun, the sight picture seems to be OK,( right eye down the rib as per normal)
I have shot tower quite well with it, but on shooting skeet, had trouble connecting with Left to Right
crossers, but manage ok with Right to lefts.
Should I have the stock altered in any way ? What do you suggest ? Any easy methods to do this ?
Any info would be great.
Thanks
Regard's
Con Kapralos
Re: Stock alterations Alan - 21:47 20/11/2000
Hi Con.
Many right-handed shooters use a left-hand cast stock and shoot well with it - Ben Brunton is an example. I can't really explain why it is just one of those little oddities that shooting is full of. My theory is that it is to do with the way in which the individual mounts the gun and depends on if your nose is turned into the stock with the stock mounted across the body, rifleman style. Whatever, first of all you need to decide if you do have a problem. Your experience on Skeet targets may be a pointer but there are any nuumber of reasons why you may be missing left to right targets and this may have nothing to do with the cast at all. You need to set up a pattern plate with a centre aiming mark and shoot at least threee shots without lookimng at the result of the preceeding shot. A distance of about 25 yards is perfect for this. If all three shots are centered on the aiming mark then the cast may be OK. Next set up a perfectly straight going away target and shoot. If you centre every one then the stock is fine. If you are consistenlty taking off the left side then you need to have the stock altered. The best way to get the stock altered is to take it to a stocker and have it bent. Do not attempt it yourself as stocks are easily broken and it will be difficult for you to get the measurements exactly right.
Alan
Looking for a couple of stolen 32's Mike Stuhr - 19:26 23/11/2000
Hi folks,
years ago two 32's were stolen from my father,ser#307 and ser#701(told you it was years ago) If any one knows anything of the whereabouts of these guns I would appreciate a tip.
Thanks
Mike Stuhr
Re: Looking for a couple of stolen 32's Alan - 22:27 23/11/2000
Mike,
I checked our records here and neither of these two guns are listed. This means that we have not had either in for service nor have we had a request for parts. I have added these two numbers and flagged them as stolen so we will be alerted if the numbers ever crop up. I advise you to give the numbers to Krieghoff International in the USA as they also record every gun that passes through the workshops.
As a point of interest to anyone reading this, we log details of every Krieghoff that we come into contact with along with details of the legal owner. This has proved very useful to a number of our customers in the past.
Hope you find yours one day.
Alan
Adjustable stock for all disciplines? Anil - 06:33 07/12/2000
Dear Allen,
Is there a relationship between the (1) Drop at comb, (2) Drop at Heel, and (3) Pitch ?
What measuements (for example, drop at comb -xx mm to xxx mm and Heel - yy mm to yyy mm etc. and Pitch at zz mm - zzz mm) would you suggest for a gun that is to be used for Trap (ISU), Skeet (ISU) and Sporting?
I realise that it is an unfair question as there are many other factors that need to be taken into account. I would still like to have your opinion and your reasoning for same. Most off-the-shelf guns that have an adjustable comb (such as the new Browning Ultra X) appear to favour a particular discipline, either 'Trap' or 'sporting'.
Thank you.
Anil.
Re: Adjustable stock for all disciplines? Alan - 21:00 07/12/2000
This isn't an unfair question it is an impossible one! The whole point of any stock, adjustable or fixed, is that it must fir the individual who will use it. Factors such as pitch (the angle the pad makes with the shoulder) for example, are determined by the build of the individual and what feels comfortable to him. What you should be looking for is as much contact over the whole face of the pad as possible. Drop at heel is the measurement required to ensure that the pad sits in the correct place. Too little drop at heel and you will find the pad sitting above the shoulder. Drop at comb is that measurement that allows you to look along the rib and will vary considerably depending on your physical build and also you shooting style. It is a fact that all stock measurements are dependant not only on your build but also how you mount the gun.
In my opinion it is not possible to use one style of stock for various disciplines as each discipline dictates varying parameters for how the gun is mounted. The most obvious is Trap when the gun is shot pre-mounted. In this position the head is dropped much harder onto the stock and the body weight is often quite forward. Sporting is shot with a "head-up" attitude and consequently requires more drop at heel. You are correct in saying that most adjustable comb guns are designed for a particular discipline. Putting an adjustable comb on a Sporter does not make it a Trap gun and vice-versa. Just in the same way as putting spotlights on the front of an F1 Ferrari does not mean that it makes a good Rally car. It would also be interesting trying to park it in Sainsburys!
Seriously though, it depends on what you want. If your aim is to become a top shot at a particular discipline then you need a gun set-up for that discipline and no other. If, on the other hand, you only shoot for recreation and fun then it is not so vital and you will find that a gun with screw-in chokes and an adjustable stock will perform more than adequately at all.
Re: Adjustable stock for all disciplines? Anil - 18:31 08/12/2000
Dear Allen,
Thanks for your explicit and informative reply.
Anil.
Crown grade Curt Goyette - 22:34 17/12/2000
Alan,
Thanks for a great site! I just bought a unfired k32 crown grade from hal dupont. Serial # 656X (4 digit) and it has on the right side a game sence where the fox acually catched one of the ducks. I am told this is very rare on crown grades in fact no one I talked to has ever seen it. Krieghoff int tells me they have seen a couple but it is very rare. Do you know of the rarity?
What year was my gun made and please expound on my engraving if you wouold please.
Curt
Re: Crown grade Alan - 19:02 18/12/2000
Thanks for the kind remarks. I am not certain of the exact age of your Model 32 but I would estimate it as early seventies. To get an exact date I need the complete serial number. A Crown Grade with the Fox catching the Duck is certainly less common than the more often seen pattern with the Ducks flying away. I have seen the Duck caught pattern but I cannot remember if it was an actual gun or a photograph that I saw. It may be that the original purchaser specified this engraving. Whatever, you have a very nice gun and I hope that it gives you many years of shooting pleasure.
Alan
Re: Crown grade Alan - 22:20 20/12/2000
This gun was completed December 16th 1970. Thirty years old almost to the day.
Alan
Choke Tubes Nino Olivares - 03:47 19/12/2000
Alan, Congratulations on an outstanding site! I would like to hear your thoughts on choke tubes. I'm a trap shooter cosidering to purchase a K-80 combo with unsingle and over an under barrel. The O/U barrel would be used primarily for shooting doubles. Should I order the O/U barrel with or without choke tubes? Could choke tubes be installed at a later date on a fixed choked barrel? The unsingle barrel will be orderd with choke tubes. I read your previous threads on the subject and you seem to be a proponent of choke tubes and so I would be very pleased to hear your comments - pro or con - whether I should have choke tubes on the O/U barrel. Thanks in advance for your efforts.
Best regards,
Nino Olivares
Re: Choke Tubes Alan - 08:56 19/12/2000
Hi Nino, thank you for the comments. Nothing has changed with regard to my views on choke tubes. I still think that they are the way to go. Once upon a time it was said that choke tubes did not throw as good a pattern as Fixed Choke barrels but this is certainly not true of Krieghoff Factory choke tubes. I have done extensive pattern testing and the Factory tubes perform equally well and with some loads perform better. In addition to this you have all the advantages of being able to switch chokes to suit the target or conditions. A particular advantage for you shooting doubles. The new factory choke constrictions of 1+ and 2+, Light Modified and Light Improved Modified, are available now, long overdue in my opinion but don't they just sound perfect for doubles? These new chokes are only just coming off the production line so you should see them in the US in January. If you decide on Fixed Choke barrels you cannot have them retro-fitted with factory chokes as the outside diameter of the barrel is bigger. You can have them fitted with any of the thin wall systems such as Briley. As you have already decided on choke tubes for the unsingle it seems logical to do the same for the over/under barrels as you could then use the same tubes in both. This would be preferrable to having two different sets of tubes, to me at any rate. Choke tubed K-80s are so well liked here that they now account for 90+% of all K-80s sold in the UK and that would not be the case if they did not work well.
The only downside is the added weight at the muzzle. I say downside because some of our FITASC Sporting shooters are choosing 32" Fixed Choke barrels coverted to the Briley system which work out a couple of ounces lighter at the muzzle. Our Trapshooters go the other way and specify the Factory choked barrels because they want the extra weight. If you do decide to go with the Fixed Chokes then you need have no worries on performance as you will find they throw superb patterns as well. My personal choice would be screw-in chokes.
Re: Choke Tubes Leo - 18:11 19/12/2000
Nino, I asked the same question of Alan about a year ago. I took his suggestion and bought the gun with choke tubes in all barrels. I couldn't be happier. I now shoot modified in my unsingle, skeet and modified in my double. I see now that if I had purchased the gun with fixed chokes, I would of had to adjust to the gun instead of adjusting the gun to me. I would also suggest that you buy the adjustable comb. Good shooting!
Re: Choke Tubes Alan - 22:32 19/12/2000
Thanks for adding this advice Leo. Its great to hear that you are happy with the gun and the screw-in chokes. Glad this worked out for you.
Alan
Re: Choke Tubes Nino Olivares - 03:03 20/12/2000
Alan, Thank you for the quick reply and your candid views. I do agree with you on having factory screw-in chokes on all barrels. I needed a sounding board because of some negative claims I heard on K-80's screw-in choke pattern. Since my experience with Kreighoff shot gun is very limited, I needed to do this leg work to make sure that I would make the right decision. Likewise with Leo, I do appreciate your comments, specially the one on adjustable comb. Adjustable comb is included on my wish list. One more question if I may on setting up the K-80 combo. Which barrel do you start with the setup: O/U or the unsingle? Thanks again and wish your a great Holiday!
Cheers,
Nino Olivares
Re: Choke Tubes Curt Goyette - 05:55 20/12/2000
Nino Olivares,
On the negative comments on a Krieghoff choke tube you heard ( its not Krieghoff I am sure). Heres the facts
Choke tubes if they match the bore and are not out of round in any way do will throw a uniform pattern in most cases. However, the powder, Wad and shot combination has a much greater effect. Also most problems occur when a barrel and choke are not matched eg .735 bore and a .728 choke this measurement is at the point where they mate in the barrel and the rest of the choke is as advertised .005 skeet ect would be (in this example .723 making the CHOKE really .012 or almost a light modified (states). This also says nothing about shot deformity when it hits the "wall" in the choke. If you spent 8 thousand dollars or more spend a few extra bucks and have all your chokes checked and if they are wrong get new ones you will be glad you did. I own a couple of Krieghoffs and a few other O/U all are matched. Any clay target gunsmith worth his salt will have a dial bore gage to check the Inside diameter. Most do the measuments for a very nominal fee. Recommend you match your chokes to the bore then work on a reload or factory load your gun likes. Uniform 30 inch circles at what ever yard you shoot is what most strive for and yes it can be done if you work at it a little bit.
Enjoy your Krieghoff there is no finer target shotgun made in the world.....period!
Re: Choke Tubes Alan - 08:25 20/12/2000
Valid points regarding choke constriction matching the bore size but you need have no worries on that score if you use original Krieghoff choke tubes. All K-80 screw choke barrels measure 18.6mm, .732". All original choke tubes are made to mate with this bore size. Sure there is a safety step at the point where the bore joins the choke, we would be having tubes shoot out if there wasn't, but the step has no effect on the pattern. The reason is that the safety step extends for only a very minute distance and the shot charge jumps this and contacts the lead into the choke before it starts to open. The correct way to measure a choke tube is to measure the bore and then find out how much you have to back off the gauge before it will exit at the muzzle. Trust me on this as I have patterned many K-80 barrels and I can tell you they throw superb patterns. The choke constriction will not be what you expect as Krieghoff generally use a little less to get the job done. Typically this is around .003" less than what is the norm. 17 thou instead of 20 for Mod. In my experience the chokes still throw patterns better than you would expect for the measurement. The #2 tube for example, nominal Modified, throws a high percentage in the circle but the distribution is very even and without the centre density that you might expect. This will vary with different loads and shot sizes and I agree that you need to find a load/choke combination that works for you. Choke performance is not a simple subject which is why many screw-in chokes perform badly. Krieghoff have matched choke profile, bore diameter and forcing cone length to produce patterns that you can rely on. All our top DTL (Trap)K-80 shooters in the UK, (including High Average leader for the last three years) use the #2 in the first barrel for 16yds and this only with a 1oz load. They are smoking the targets and consistently put in the scores week after week. I can tell you that they would pretty quickly tighten up the choke if they were not 100% sure that the pattern they are delivering is up to the job.
Alan
Setting up the Combo Alan - 22:17 20/12/2000
My advice on setting up the adjustable comb on the Combo would be to start with the O/U barrels simply because the Top barrel is fixed in relation to the rib and there is no possibility of changing that point of impact. You can move the bottom barrel up or down as you prefer. Once you have the stock set up to shoot where you want it with the O/U barrels, fit the unsingle and begin to adjust that. The sight picture down the rib will remain the same with both sets of barrels as on the unsingle the rib stays put and the barrel moves away from or towards it. All you need to do then is to adjust the unsingle to the point of impact you prefer without altering the comb and the job is done. Truthfully, I think you could do it either way but starting with the O/U barrel seems more logical.
Re: Choke Tubes Nino Olivares - 03:23 20/12/2000
Leo, Thanks for your comments. Am I correct to assume that you're using the modified choke on 16 yard targets? Also, do you have porting on your O/U barrel?
Re: Choke Tubes Leo - 15:04 21/12/2000
Nino, yes, I shoot modified from the 16. I have shot full and exta full but I don't see much of a difference from the 16. The modified choke turns targets to dust. I believe I have a little more margin for error with the modified choke.
No porting on my barrels. I don't like the noise, the extra cleaning, and I don't like to alter my orignal barrels. I do shoot 7/8 or 1 oz. of No. 9s on my first shot in doubles to keep recoil down.
The K80 is a wonderful doubles gun. Both barrels shoot to the same exact point of impact, and POI is easily changed with an adjustable comb.
Good shooting.
how old is my gun michael - 23:51 25/12/2000
I have a Remington Wingmaster 16 guage shotgun and would like to know how old it is. If anyone could tell me the years when they were made or somewhere I could look to find out I would appreciate it.
Thanks
Re: how old is my gun Alan - 22:14 26/12/2000
Sorry but I do not have any information on year of manufacture for Remington products. Even if I did I could not help without the serial number. I suggest that you contact Remington directly; you will need to give them the serial number of your gun and they will be able to tell you when it was made.
Alan
K-80 Serial Number Nino Olivares - 16:12 26/12/2000
Alan, I trust that you had a great Holiday. I have another question for you on serial number relative to a K-80 combo set. Should the combo set have a matching serial numbers? I do understood from your previous threads on the site that depending on the technician at Kreighoff that sometimes a slighly different marking system is followed. Does K-80 combo set leaves Kreighoff factory as a complete "set," or the authorized Kreighoff dealer assemble the set together at their shop. Lastly, what should I expect as a minimum for a combo set serial number for a new gun. Again, thanks in advance for your efforts.
Regards,
Nino Olivares
Re: K-80 Serial Number Alan - 22:11 26/12/2000
I really can't speak for how Combo sets are numbered in the USA. The best bet is for you to contact Krieghoff International and ask about the particular gun that you have seen. I can tell you that Combo sets are built in the factory at Ulm and also at Krieghoff International at Ottsville. The skill and expertise is the same in both instances as the gunsmiths are all factory trained. In some cases it may be that a particular dealer has been trained by Krieghoff to fit barrels and in this case he would be authorised to do so. I know of at least two Krieghoff Dealers in the USA to whom this would probably apply and there may be more. You can guess from this that there is considerable scope for the barrel numbering to use different systems. The only concern really is if the barrels have been properly fitted by a trained gunsmith and the only people who can tell you that in the US are Krieghoff International. It is important that the barrels fit properly and this is why I recommend that you run the serial number past them.
You need to ask them about the serial numbers for new guns also. The factory changed their nuumbering system in the middle of last year so you will find "New" guns about numbered in the 26/27000 range and also guns carrying the new numbers beginning "00".
Have a good holiday.
Alan
'Hogs back' shotgun stock design Anil - 13:27 07/01/2001
Dear Allen,
I came across a very interesting article written by you in the March 99 issue of Clay Shooting magazine about the 'Hogs back' shotgun stock design. You have said that it closest to a stock that could be suitable for all disciplines. Could you please expand on that? Would such a stock be suitable for trap as well as skeet.
When I pre-mount my Trap gun (a) there is a tendency for the stock to interfere with my Pelter ear muffs, which makes me have to adjust the position of the stock. I have a feeling that this 'adjustment' sometimes makes me see more rib than I really should, making me shoot above the target (b) When it is properly mounted the heel of the stock is slightly above and not in contact with the shoulder.
I wonder whether my stock should be altered to hogs back design in order to get over the above-mentioned problems. I am reluctant to alter it unless I am quite sure that it would help, as once done, the process cannot be reversed. Appreciate your opinion.
Thanks.
Anil.
Re: 'Hogs back' shotgun stock design Alan - 22:01 09/01/2001
This design of stock would be equally suitable for Trap but I doubt that you can convert your existing stock. The only type of Trap stock that it may be possible to convert is a Monte-Carlo as a parallel comb is required. If your stock is above the shoulder when properly mounted then it is because you do not have enough drop at heel. The hog-back stock is really no different to a Monte-Carlo in principle but it does not have the abrupt step at the rear and is generally slimmer inprofile. This makes it easier to mount in gun down situations. It should be a good design for an all round stock but if you are specialising in Trap then a Trap stock is what you require. Stocks designed for many different applications are not perfect for any of them and you should always go with the specialist option if possible. If your ear muffs are hitting the stock is could be that you are dropping your head down onto the comb as a part of your gun mount. A distant diagnosis would suggest that you prefer an upright stance but your stock does not have enough drop at heel and is a little high in the comb. An upright stance requires more drop (that is a lower comb) than does a more aggressive weight forward stance. The upright stance is good as it allows for a more relaxed style but you do need to get your gun fit adjusted to suit.
A hog-back stock will not provide any benefit
Alan
Choke Tube Case Leo - 21:56 09/01/2001
Alan, I have about ten choke tubes for my K80 that I need a case for. Some of the shooters here use plastic fishing lure boxes, but I can't find any that fit. Do you sell anything or know of someone that does? I would really like something that fits inside my Americase and specifically fits the Krieghoff tubes. Thanks.
Re: Choke Tube Case Alan - 22:21 09/01/2001
There are any number of good choke tube cases around but finding one to hold 10 tubes is tough, especially if you want it to fit in your Americase. I have small narrow boxes that should fit the bill, each of which holds 5 tubes. Black plastic. Dimensions are 5" x 2.3/8" x 1.1/4" approx. You can get two in a combo case standing vertically in the stock wrench compartment and you still have room for the wrench handle. You can get three in the same compartment if you remove the wrench. I don't have these in the online shop, I don't know why. Price is £4 each and shipping to the US should not be more than £5. I will add them to the shop as soon as I get a moment but in the meantime just mail me, alan@krieghoff.co.uk, if you think they may be of use.
Alan
308 Norma"ideal" stephan - 22:48 09/01/2001
Hello
I recently bought a used rifle chambered for 308 norma mag.
It is stamped "IDEAL GUN"
There are no other markings, it has a very nice stock, with great engaving.
Do you know where it is from? is the company still around?
thank you
Re: 308 Norma"ideal" Alan - 08:38 10/01/2001
From the little information you supply I cannot even make a guess as to origin etc. If you can supply the following information I will see what I can discover. - Type of rifle, for example is it bolt-action, single, side-by-side, over-under, break open, falling block?
- I have a hard time believing that there are no other markings on the gun apart from the name "Ideal". I would think that at the least there must be some makers marks and a serial number. The makers marks and proof marks are the most important. The proof marks will help me determine what country the rifle was proof tested in. These will normally be under the barrel/barrels at the breech end.
- You say the calibre is .308 Norma Mag. Is this your guess or is it marked on the gun. If it is marked what does the marking say - exactly?
- What style of stock is fitted. Does it have a cheek piece or sling swivels fitted. Is it checkered and if so what type of checkering.
These points all give an indication of country of origin and once that is known there may be a chance of finding the maker.
Alan
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