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8mm Kenny - 23:30 13/11/2000
Alan
I have a german 8mm that has been sporterized, the craftmanship is of excellent quality. The name of the gunsmith is R.Hoffman Uelzer, The front sight has a ramp with with quality checking and a lateral slot for the front sight. the number on the mauser action is 3337 and a 541 on the bottom of the clip(fixed. Two 3/4 strap mounts, one on the back stock and another on the barrel. It has a quick mount over under scope. The scope is a tribar with very little mag. and no view adjustment.The scope mounts by hooking the front into the fix mount and snaps in the back. I am interesete if you know this gunsmith(probaly european) and what model this is. And maybe the value.
Thank you
Re: 8mm Alan - 00:13 14/11/2000
Kenny,
I have already replied to you earlier question below on the same subject. I do not have any information on this rifle. sorry, I wish I could help but I cannot.
Alan
GL Raush Drilling Will Dobbins - 02:14 14/11/2000
I was wondering if anyone knew of a place to learn more about this drilling?
Best regards,
Will
Re: GL Raush Drilling Alan - 08:13 14/11/2000
Will,
My best suggestion is to go to one of the search engines and look for "Firearms Museums, European" or if you know the country that the drilling was made then substitute that country for the word "European". You should find something and ask the question there.
Alan
Drillings - PLEASE READ Alan - 08:22 14/11/2000
From time to time various visitors to this site post questions about old German made rifles and drillings. I have no information on this subject, not eevn on the Sempert & Krieghoff made pre-war drillings. The reasons have been covered comprehensively here many times in the past. I have been looking for a source of this info and I suggest that you try the search engines. I just visited altavista.com and typed into the search field - rifles and drillings, Germany - this brought up quite a list of possible locations which looked promising. Varying the search request may bring even better results. Happy hunting!
Alan
Stock alterations Con Kapralos - 00:31 20/11/2000
Dear Alan,
I have a general question regarding on how to alter a stock.I have just aquired a very
well conditioned Fabarm for a snip of a price, but the friend I purchased it from is left handed, thus it
had a LH stock - I am however right handed. My other stocks have cast for a RH shooter, this one is cast for
a LH shooter.
Upon shouldering the gun, the sight picture seems to be OK,( right eye down the rib as per normal)
I have shot tower quite well with it, but on shooting skeet, had trouble connecting with Left to Right
crossers, but manage ok with Right to lefts.
Should I have the stock altered in any way ? What do you suggest ? Any easy methods to do this ?
Any info would be great.
Thanks
Regard's
Con Kapralos
Re: Stock alterations Alan - 21:47 20/11/2000
Hi Con.
Many right-handed shooters use a left-hand cast stock and shoot well with it - Ben Brunton is an example. I can't really explain why it is just one of those little oddities that shooting is full of. My theory is that it is to do with the way in which the individual mounts the gun and depends on if your nose is turned into the stock with the stock mounted across the body, rifleman style. Whatever, first of all you need to decide if you do have a problem. Your experience on Skeet targets may be a pointer but there are any nuumber of reasons why you may be missing left to right targets and this may have nothing to do with the cast at all. You need to set up a pattern plate with a centre aiming mark and shoot at least threee shots without lookimng at the result of the preceeding shot. A distance of about 25 yards is perfect for this. If all three shots are centered on the aiming mark then the cast may be OK. Next set up a perfectly straight going away target and shoot. If you centre every one then the stock is fine. If you are consistenlty taking off the left side then you need to have the stock altered. The best way to get the stock altered is to take it to a stocker and have it bent. Do not attempt it yourself as stocks are easily broken and it will be difficult for you to get the measurements exactly right.
Alan
Looking for a couple of stolen 32's Mike Stuhr - 19:26 23/11/2000
Hi folks,
years ago two 32's were stolen from my father,ser#307 and ser#701(told you it was years ago) If any one knows anything of the whereabouts of these guns I would appreciate a tip.
Thanks
Mike Stuhr
Re: Looking for a couple of stolen 32's Alan - 22:27 23/11/2000
Mike,
I checked our records here and neither of these two guns are listed. This means that we have not had either in for service nor have we had a request for parts. I have added these two numbers and flagged them as stolen so we will be alerted if the numbers ever crop up. I advise you to give the numbers to Krieghoff International in the USA as they also record every gun that passes through the workshops.
As a point of interest to anyone reading this, we log details of every Krieghoff that we come into contact with along with details of the legal owner. This has proved very useful to a number of our customers in the past.
Hope you find yours one day.
Alan
Adjustable stock for all disciplines? Anil - 06:33 07/12/2000
Dear Allen,
Is there a relationship between the (1) Drop at comb, (2) Drop at Heel, and (3) Pitch ?
What measuements (for example, drop at comb -xx mm to xxx mm and Heel - yy mm to yyy mm etc. and Pitch at zz mm - zzz mm) would you suggest for a gun that is to be used for Trap (ISU), Skeet (ISU) and Sporting?
I realise that it is an unfair question as there are many other factors that need to be taken into account. I would still like to have your opinion and your reasoning for same. Most off-the-shelf guns that have an adjustable comb (such as the new Browning Ultra X) appear to favour a particular discipline, either 'Trap' or 'sporting'.
Thank you.
Anil.
Re: Adjustable stock for all disciplines? Alan - 21:00 07/12/2000
This isn't an unfair question it is an impossible one! The whole point of any stock, adjustable or fixed, is that it must fir the individual who will use it. Factors such as pitch (the angle the pad makes with the shoulder) for example, are determined by the build of the individual and what feels comfortable to him. What you should be looking for is as much contact over the whole face of the pad as possible. Drop at heel is the measurement required to ensure that the pad sits in the correct place. Too little drop at heel and you will find the pad sitting above the shoulder. Drop at comb is that measurement that allows you to look along the rib and will vary considerably depending on your physical build and also you shooting style. It is a fact that all stock measurements are dependant not only on your build but also how you mount the gun.
In my opinion it is not possible to use one style of stock for various disciplines as each discipline dictates varying parameters for how the gun is mounted. The most obvious is Trap when the gun is shot pre-mounted. In this position the head is dropped much harder onto the stock and the body weight is often quite forward. Sporting is shot with a "head-up" attitude and consequently requires more drop at heel. You are correct in saying that most adjustable comb guns are designed for a particular discipline. Putting an adjustable comb on a Sporter does not make it a Trap gun and vice-versa. Just in the same way as putting spotlights on the front of an F1 Ferrari does not mean that it makes a good Rally car. It would also be interesting trying to park it in Sainsburys!
Seriously though, it depends on what you want. If your aim is to become a top shot at a particular discipline then you need a gun set-up for that discipline and no other. If, on the other hand, you only shoot for recreation and fun then it is not so vital and you will find that a gun with screw-in chokes and an adjustable stock will perform more than adequately at all.
Re: Adjustable stock for all disciplines? Anil - 18:31 08/12/2000
Dear Allen,
Thanks for your explicit and informative reply.
Anil.
Crown grade Curt Goyette - 22:34 17/12/2000
Alan,
Thanks for a great site! I just bought a unfired k32 crown grade from hal dupont. Serial # 656X (4 digit) and it has on the right side a game sence where the fox acually catched one of the ducks. I am told this is very rare on crown grades in fact no one I talked to has ever seen it. Krieghoff int tells me they have seen a couple but it is very rare. Do you know of the rarity?
What year was my gun made and please expound on my engraving if you wouold please.
Curt
Re: Crown grade Alan - 19:02 18/12/2000
Thanks for the kind remarks. I am not certain of the exact age of your Model 32 but I would estimate it as early seventies. To get an exact date I need the complete serial number. A Crown Grade with the Fox catching the Duck is certainly less common than the more often seen pattern with the Ducks flying away. I have seen the Duck caught pattern but I cannot remember if it was an actual gun or a photograph that I saw. It may be that the original purchaser specified this engraving. Whatever, you have a very nice gun and I hope that it gives you many years of shooting pleasure.
Alan
Re: Crown grade Alan - 22:20 20/12/2000
This gun was completed December 16th 1970. Thirty years old almost to the day.
Alan
Choke Tubes Nino Olivares - 03:47 19/12/2000
Alan, Congratulations on an outstanding site! I would like to hear your thoughts on choke tubes. I'm a trap shooter cosidering to purchase a K-80 combo with unsingle and over an under barrel. The O/U barrel would be used primarily for shooting doubles. Should I order the O/U barrel with or without choke tubes? Could choke tubes be installed at a later date on a fixed choked barrel? The unsingle barrel will be orderd with choke tubes. I read your previous threads on the subject and you seem to be a proponent of choke tubes and so I would be very pleased to hear your comments - pro or con - whether I should have choke tubes on the O/U barrel. Thanks in advance for your efforts.
Best regards,
Nino Olivares
Re: Choke Tubes Alan - 08:56 19/12/2000
Hi Nino, thank you for the comments. Nothing has changed with regard to my views on choke tubes. I still think that they are the way to go. Once upon a time it was said that choke tubes did not throw as good a pattern as Fixed Choke barrels but this is certainly not true of Krieghoff Factory choke tubes. I have done extensive pattern testing and the Factory tubes perform equally well and with some loads perform better. In addition to this you have all the advantages of being able to switch chokes to suit the target or conditions. A particular advantage for you shooting doubles. The new factory choke constrictions of 1+ and 2+, Light Modified and Light Improved Modified, are available now, long overdue in my opinion but don't they just sound perfect for doubles? These new chokes are only just coming off the production line so you should see them in the US in January. If you decide on Fixed Choke barrels you cannot have them retro-fitted with factory chokes as the outside diameter of the barrel is bigger. You can have them fitted with any of the thin wall systems such as Briley. As you have already decided on choke tubes for the unsingle it seems logical to do the same for the over/under barrels as you could then use the same tubes in both. This would be preferrable to having two different sets of tubes, to me at any rate. Choke tubed K-80s are so well liked here that they now account for 90+% of all K-80s sold in the UK and that would not be the case if they did not work well.
The only downside is the added weight at the muzzle. I say downside because some of our FITASC Sporting shooters are choosing 32" Fixed Choke barrels coverted to the Briley system which work out a couple of ounces lighter at the muzzle. Our Trapshooters go the other way and specify the Factory choked barrels because they want the extra weight. If you do decide to go with the Fixed Chokes then you need have no worries on performance as you will find they throw superb patterns as well. My personal choice would be screw-in chokes.
Re: Choke Tubes Leo - 18:11 19/12/2000
Nino, I asked the same question of Alan about a year ago. I took his suggestion and bought the gun with choke tubes in all barrels. I couldn't be happier. I now shoot modified in my unsingle, skeet and modified in my double. I see now that if I had purchased the gun with fixed chokes, I would of had to adjust to the gun instead of adjusting the gun to me. I would also suggest that you buy the adjustable comb. Good shooting!
Re: Choke Tubes Alan - 22:32 19/12/2000
Thanks for adding this advice Leo. Its great to hear that you are happy with the gun and the screw-in chokes. Glad this worked out for you.
Alan
Re: Choke Tubes Nino Olivares - 03:03 20/12/2000
Alan, Thank you for the quick reply and your candid views. I do agree with you on having factory screw-in chokes on all barrels. I needed a sounding board because of some negative claims I heard on K-80's screw-in choke pattern. Since my experience with Kreighoff shot gun is very limited, I needed to do this leg work to make sure that I would make the right decision. Likewise with Leo, I do appreciate your comments, specially the one on adjustable comb. Adjustable comb is included on my wish list. One more question if I may on setting up the K-80 combo. Which barrel do you start with the setup: O/U or the unsingle? Thanks again and wish your a great Holiday!
Cheers,
Nino Olivares
Re: Choke Tubes Curt Goyette - 05:55 20/12/2000
Nino Olivares,
On the negative comments on a Krieghoff choke tube you heard ( its not Krieghoff I am sure). Heres the facts
Choke tubes if they match the bore and are not out of round in any way do will throw a uniform pattern in most cases. However, the powder, Wad and shot combination has a much greater effect. Also most problems occur when a barrel and choke are not matched eg .735 bore and a .728 choke this measurement is at the point where they mate in the barrel and the rest of the choke is as advertised .005 skeet ect would be (in this example .723 making the CHOKE really .012 or almost a light modified (states). This also says nothing about shot deformity when it hits the "wall" in the choke. If you spent 8 thousand dollars or more spend a few extra bucks and have all your chokes checked and if they are wrong get new ones you will be glad you did. I own a couple of Krieghoffs and a few other O/U all are matched. Any clay target gunsmith worth his salt will have a dial bore gage to check the Inside diameter. Most do the measuments for a very nominal fee. Recommend you match your chokes to the bore then work on a reload or factory load your gun likes. Uniform 30 inch circles at what ever yard you shoot is what most strive for and yes it can be done if you work at it a little bit.
Enjoy your Krieghoff there is no finer target shotgun made in the world.....period!
Re: Choke Tubes Alan - 08:25 20/12/2000
Valid points regarding choke constriction matching the bore size but you need have no worries on that score if you use original Krieghoff choke tubes. All K-80 screw choke barrels measure 18.6mm, .732". All original choke tubes are made to mate with this bore size. Sure there is a safety step at the point where the bore joins the choke, we would be having tubes shoot out if there wasn't, but the step has no effect on the pattern. The reason is that the safety step extends for only a very minute distance and the shot charge jumps this and contacts the lead into the choke before it starts to open. The correct way to measure a choke tube is to measure the bore and then find out how much you have to back off the gauge before it will exit at the muzzle. Trust me on this as I have patterned many K-80 barrels and I can tell you they throw superb patterns. The choke constriction will not be what you expect as Krieghoff generally use a little less to get the job done. Typically this is around .003" less than what is the norm. 17 thou instead of 20 for Mod. In my experience the chokes still throw patterns better than you would expect for the measurement. The #2 tube for example, nominal Modified, throws a high percentage in the circle but the distribution is very even and without the centre density that you might expect. This will vary with different loads and shot sizes and I agree that you need to find a load/choke combination that works for you. Choke performance is not a simple subject which is why many screw-in chokes perform badly. Krieghoff have matched choke profile, bore diameter and forcing cone length to produce patterns that you can rely on. All our top DTL (Trap)K-80 shooters in the UK, (including High Average leader for the last three years) use the #2 in the first barrel for 16yds and this only with a 1oz load. They are smoking the targets and consistently put in the scores week after week. I can tell you that they would pretty quickly tighten up the choke if they were not 100% sure that the pattern they are delivering is up to the job.
Alan
Setting up the Combo Alan - 22:17 20/12/2000
My advice on setting up the adjustable comb on the Combo would be to start with the O/U barrels simply because the Top barrel is fixed in relation to the rib and there is no possibility of changing that point of impact. You can move the bottom barrel up or down as you prefer. Once you have the stock set up to shoot where you want it with the O/U barrels, fit the unsingle and begin to adjust that. The sight picture down the rib will remain the same with both sets of barrels as on the unsingle the rib stays put and the barrel moves away from or towards it. All you need to do then is to adjust the unsingle to the point of impact you prefer without altering the comb and the job is done. Truthfully, I think you could do it either way but starting with the O/U barrel seems more logical.
Re: Choke Tubes Nino Olivares - 03:23 20/12/2000
Leo, Thanks for your comments. Am I correct to assume that you're using the modified choke on 16 yard targets? Also, do you have porting on your O/U barrel?
Re: Choke Tubes Leo - 15:04 21/12/2000
Nino, yes, I shoot modified from the 16. I have shot full and exta full but I don't see much of a difference from the 16. The modified choke turns targets to dust. I believe I have a little more margin for error with the modified choke.
No porting on my barrels. I don't like the noise, the extra cleaning, and I don't like to alter my orignal barrels. I do shoot 7/8 or 1 oz. of No. 9s on my first shot in doubles to keep recoil down.
The K80 is a wonderful doubles gun. Both barrels shoot to the same exact point of impact, and POI is easily changed with an adjustable comb.
Good shooting.
how old is my gun michael - 23:51 25/12/2000
I have a Remington Wingmaster 16 guage shotgun and would like to know how old it is. If anyone could tell me the years when they were made or somewhere I could look to find out I would appreciate it.
Thanks
Re: how old is my gun Alan - 22:14 26/12/2000
Sorry but I do not have any information on year of manufacture for Remington products. Even if I did I could not help without the serial number. I suggest that you contact Remington directly; you will need to give them the serial number of your gun and they will be able to tell you when it was made.
Alan
K-80 Serial Number Nino Olivares - 16:12 26/12/2000
Alan, I trust that you had a great Holiday. I have another question for you on serial number relative to a K-80 combo set. Should the combo set have a matching serial numbers? I do understood from your previous threads on the site that depending on the technician at Kreighoff that sometimes a slighly different marking system is followed. Does K-80 combo set leaves Kreighoff factory as a complete "set," or the authorized Kreighoff dealer assemble the set together at their shop. Lastly, what should I expect as a minimum for a combo set serial number for a new gun. Again, thanks in advance for your efforts.
Regards,
Nino Olivares
Re: K-80 Serial Number Alan - 22:11 26/12/2000
I really can't speak for how Combo sets are numbered in the USA. The best bet is for you to contact Krieghoff International and ask about the particular gun that you have seen. I can tell you that Combo sets are built in the factory at Ulm and also at Krieghoff International at Ottsville. The skill and expertise is the same in both instances as the gunsmiths are all factory trained. In some cases it may be that a particular dealer has been trained by Krieghoff to fit barrels and in this case he would be authorised to do so. I know of at least two Krieghoff Dealers in the USA to whom this would probably apply and there may be more. You can guess from this that there is considerable scope for the barrel numbering to use different systems. The only concern really is if the barrels have been properly fitted by a trained gunsmith and the only people who can tell you that in the US are Krieghoff International. It is important that the barrels fit properly and this is why I recommend that you run the serial number past them.
You need to ask them about the serial numbers for new guns also. The factory changed their nuumbering system in the middle of last year so you will find "New" guns about numbered in the 26/27000 range and also guns carrying the new numbers beginning "00".
Have a good holiday.
Alan
'Hogs back' shotgun stock design Anil - 13:27 07/01/2001
Dear Allen,
I came across a very interesting article written by you in the March 99 issue of Clay Shooting magazine about the 'Hogs back' shotgun stock design. You have said that it closest to a stock that could be suitable for all disciplines. Could you please expand on that? Would such a stock be suitable for trap as well as skeet.
When I pre-mount my Trap gun (a) there is a tendency for the stock to interfere with my Pelter ear muffs, which makes me have to adjust the position of the stock. I have a feeling that this 'adjustment' sometimes makes me see more rib than I really should, making me shoot above the target (b) When it is properly mounted the heel of the stock is slightly above and not in contact with the shoulder.
I wonder whether my stock should be altered to hogs back design in order to get over the above-mentioned problems. I am reluctant to alter it unless I am quite sure that it would help, as once done, the process cannot be reversed. Appreciate your opinion.
Thanks.
Anil.
Re: 'Hogs back' shotgun stock design Alan - 22:01 09/01/2001
This design of stock would be equally suitable for Trap but I doubt that you can convert your existing stock. The only type of Trap stock that it may be possible to convert is a Monte-Carlo as a parallel comb is required. If your stock is above the shoulder when properly mounted then it is because you do not have enough drop at heel. The hog-back stock is really no different to a Monte-Carlo in principle but it does not have the abrupt step at the rear and is generally slimmer inprofile. This makes it easier to mount in gun down situations. It should be a good design for an all round stock but if you are specialising in Trap then a Trap stock is what you require. Stocks designed for many different applications are not perfect for any of them and you should always go with the specialist option if possible. If your ear muffs are hitting the stock is could be that you are dropping your head down onto the comb as a part of your gun mount. A distant diagnosis would suggest that you prefer an upright stance but your stock does not have enough drop at heel and is a little high in the comb. An upright stance requires more drop (that is a lower comb) than does a more aggressive weight forward stance. The upright stance is good as it allows for a more relaxed style but you do need to get your gun fit adjusted to suit.
A hog-back stock will not provide any benefit
Alan
Choke Tube Case Leo - 21:56 09/01/2001
Alan, I have about ten choke tubes for my K80 that I need a case for. Some of the shooters here use plastic fishing lure boxes, but I can't find any that fit. Do you sell anything or know of someone that does? I would really like something that fits inside my Americase and specifically fits the Krieghoff tubes. Thanks.
Re: Choke Tube Case Alan - 22:21 09/01/2001
There are any number of good choke tube cases around but finding one to hold 10 tubes is tough, especially if you want it to fit in your Americase. I have small narrow boxes that should fit the bill, each of which holds 5 tubes. Black plastic. Dimensions are 5" x 2.3/8" x 1.1/4" approx. You can get two in a combo case standing vertically in the stock wrench compartment and you still have room for the wrench handle. You can get three in the same compartment if you remove the wrench. I don't have these in the online shop, I don't know why. Price is £4 each and shipping to the US should not be more than £5. I will add them to the shop as soon as I get a moment but in the meantime just mail me, alan@krieghoff.co.uk, if you think they may be of use.
Alan
308 Norma"ideal" stephan - 22:48 09/01/2001
Hello
I recently bought a used rifle chambered for 308 norma mag.
It is stamped "IDEAL GUN"
There are no other markings, it has a very nice stock, with great engaving.
Do you know where it is from? is the company still around?
thank you
Re: 308 Norma"ideal" Alan - 08:38 10/01/2001
From the little information you supply I cannot even make a guess as to origin etc. If you can supply the following information I will see what I can discover.
1) Type of rifle, for example is it bolt-action, single, side-by-side, over-under, break open, falling block?
2)I have a hard time believing that there are no other markings on the gun apart from the name "Ideal". I would think that at the least there must be some makers marks and a serial number. The makers marks and proof marks are the most important. The proof marks will help me determine what country the rifle was proof tested in. These will normally be under the barrel/barrels at the breech end.
3)You say the calibre is .308 Norma Mag. Is this your guess or is it marked on the gun. If it is marked what does the marking say - exactly?
4)What style of stock is fitted. Does it have a cheek piece or sling swivels fitted. Is it checkered and if so what type of checkering.
These points all give an indication of country of origin and once that is known there may be a chance of finding the maker.
Alan
K-80 @k-32 hangers Nick - 14:05 18/01/2001
I own a k-80 with 30" barrels and screw in chokes. it has a #3 hanger. Iwould like to shoot trap doubles and want to raise the POI. What hanger would you recomend?
I also own a k-32 with 32" barrels and fixed choke. What hangers are avail for this gun to raise the POI?
Also is there a special tool to remove the hangers. The k-32 hanger has no markings.
thanks Nick
Re: K-80 @k-32 hangers Alan - 15:08 18/01/2001
The #3 hanger on screw choke barrels will probably place the impact of the bottom barrel slightly above the top barrel. As you know the top barrel is fixed in relation to the rib and so it is only the bottom barrel impact that can be altered. Each hanger change will alter impact point by between 3 and 4 inches and you have two higher sizes available to you, #1 and #2. You need to pattern the gun at the range you will take the first target and then change the hanger depending on how much higher you want to go.
There are 9 hanger sizes available for fixed choke barrels starting at #1 which is 0.5mm from the inside of the dovetail to the point of contact with the barrel. Each hanger size is 0.5mm bigger and so a #9 will measure 4.5mm. The size increments are the same for Screw Choke barrels also. Please note that the hanger numbers are not directly comparable between Fixed and Screw-in choke barrels as the Screw choke barrels are a bigger diameter at the muzzle and therefore further apart.
The pin running through the hanger is 1.5mm diameter and you should use a 1.4mm pin punch to change it. Do not use a 1/16" punch as this is 1.6mm and will enlarge the hole allowing the pin to work out. We use two pin punches, the 1.4 to drive out the pin and a 0.9mm which fits inside the hollow pin and supports it whilst it is replaced.
Alan
Unsingle barrel Nick - 20:47 18/01/2001
I am looking for an unsingle barrel for my k-32. I would like it in 32". Any idea's were i can go to get the best price. Hal Dupont said i was looking at $3,200. us. this seems high for a used barrel.
thanks Nick
Re: Unsingle barrel Alan - 21:16 18/01/2001
Sorry I am not able to help you on this one. I am located in the UK and I am not familiar with prices in the USA. We have very little use for the unsingle here as our Trap allows use of both barrels.
Alan
patterns justin - 22:32 18/01/2001
I know it was a long while ago , but in the december 1999 clay shooting magazine you mentioned about a choke of 17 thou and a no' 7 cartridge that threw even full choke patterns, you did not say what make that either of them were, could you please let me know. thank you.
Re: patterns Alan - 23:04 18/01/2001
It may have been a while ago but I still know what I wrote becasue I am still using the same combination (when I get to shoot that is). The choke was the Krieghoff No:2 Factory choke tube made for the K-80 screw-in choke barrels of 18.6mm bore diamter. This is what we market as Modified but it actually measures 17 thou constriction from bore size. The cartridge is the DTL Pro-One 28gm #7 (2.4mm) loaded by Hull Cartridge Company, commonly known as "Hull Pinks". This barrel/choke/cartridge combination throws the most consistent and even patterns I have ever seen.
Alan
Re: patterns justin - 21:01 19/01/2001
Do you know of any good combinations for a beretta ?
Re: patterns Alan - 22:52 19/01/2001
I don't have any test results for Beretta guns but I would imagine that the DTL 300 would perform quite well as it has good quality hard shot and a moderate velocity. You need to do some pattern testing to find out.
Alan
K-80 mark dimmich - 05:05 22/01/2001
Alan,
I ran across a used K80 Saturday that I fell in love with. It appears to be basically a skeet gun. Has a straight stock and subgauge tube set but also has an unsingle barrel. I shoot some doubles so I wanted a combo. I don't need the tube set but will be nice to have for occasional skeet. The stock fits me ok and I have a precision stock that I can put on it anyway so don't really have to have adjustable comb. The gun has alot going for it but the only serial numbers that match are the forearm and the receiver. # is 21xxx. I was told by somebody to get one with number over 25xxx but forget why that was. What's changed and would you buy a gun with numbers that don't match. Would I be able to get much info from Krieghoff?
Thank You
Mark Dimmich
Lafayette, IN
Re: K-80 Alan - 09:07 22/01/2001
Last things first. I believe the number that you were advised about was 20,000 not 25,000. At this time there were a number of quite useful changes made to the K-80 amongst which was the change to coil springs for the sears. There are of course small changes made just about every year but serial 20,000 saw some significant improvements. It is not a big deal as these changes can be made to earlier guns and it needs to be remembered that the K-80 had a
pretty good reputation for reliability before the changes were made.
Barrel numbers not matching the receiver and iron is quite common and it may have been that way since new. You need to establish if the barrels have been simply swapped from another gun or if they are exra or original barrels fitted at either Krieghoff International or one of their dealers. Krieghoff International will certainly be able to advise and I suggest that you call Norbet Haussman in their service department. I am assuming that you are based in the USA.
The situation in the US is a little different from here in the UK where we see a number of K-80s that have simply had a second set of barrels put on the receiver without any regard to fit. Consequently this has a devastating effect on resale values. So long as the barrels fit OK there is no problem but this needs to be determined by an expert.
K-gun and Remington model 32 swap Craig Litt - 23:17 31/01/2001
I have a Remington model 32 which may need some repair or parts. Are the Krieghoff K32's somewhat interchangable?
Re: K-gun and Remington model 32 swap Alan - 09:22 01/02/2001
I very much doubt it. The Remington Model 32 ceased production around 1940. The Krieghoff Model 32, based on the basic design of the Remington, began production in the late 1950s. Although the two models have some similarities the Krieghoff underwent considerable re-design before going into production, especially in the trigger area. Some parts may be adapted to fit but not many. Please note that this applies only to the Remington Model 32, the Remington 3200 is a completely different design.
Alan
national scores JOHN DELANEY - 09:12 03/02/2001
alan
is there a web site that you know of where i can look up the scores of a friend of mine ,that shot at national level (junior) about 10 or 15 years ago,d.t.l?
hope you can help!
john delaney
Re: national scores Alan - 10:14 03/02/2001
Sorry John I am sure that there is no such web site. The only site from which you can obtain scores is the CPSA and that was only set up around three or four years ago. You could contact the CPSA but I am pretty sure that scores from that period were not kept on computer and so any records would take some finding.
Alan
K-80 ejectors thayes2615 - 09:39 09/02/2001
I have a k-80 combo ( 20600 series) and have been experiencing a problem when shooting the unsingle barrel.
After firing a round and opening the breach, the empty hull will not eject fully from the chamber.
The ejector simply pushed the hull up approximately 1/2" and that is it.
Other times, the spent hull will be ejected completely out of the chamber and sent flying to the ground.
Looking forward to your reply.
T.D.
WI.
Re: K-80 ejectors Alan - 10:45 09/02/2001
There could be a number of reasons for this. First thing to look at is the chamber itself, are the walls smooth to touch or are they a little rough? Surface rust can very quickly build up in the chamber and with the repeated pressure can become almost welded to the chamber walls. I frequently see chamber with what looks like a ridge around the wall about 3/4" in and this can take some moving, it also plays havoc with the ejection. Next to look at are the cartridges. I find long brass can be a problem, not just in the K-80. Likewise homeloads that have not had the cases properly and full length re-sized, especially if they were originally shot out of a different gun. Last but not least you should bear in mind that your 20,600 series K-80 is now 11 years old and if it still has the original ejector springs they will be getting a little tired. You can cheaply and easily replace the springs and we have uprated springs available as well as the standard strength. I guess you are in the USA and I suggest you contact Norbert at Krieghoff International, Ottsville PA and he will advise you on what you can do to solve your problem. Tel: 610847 5173
Alan
gun parts! Lasko from macedonia - 22:12 11/02/2001
hello i have a suhl two barrel gun model 180-1 SUHL.
can you show me a picture if you have cos i need some parts and i'm very intrested in bying it.
thanx i'm vaiting your answer!!!!!!!!!
Re: gun parts! Alan - 10:31 12/02/2001
I need some help here. Who made the gun that you have? From your description it does not sound like it was made by Krieghoff. Let me know some more information and I will try to point you in the right direction.
Alan
Remington 3200 compared to current Krieghoffs Con Kapralos - 05:09 14/02/2001
Dear Alan,
Hello how are you.
I was wondering whether any similarities exist between the Remington 3200 U/O and the modern day Krieghoffs.
I am a fan of the Krieghoff, but unfortunately, no one here in Australia sells them. I have seen several Remington 3200's and noticed they look like the Krieghoffs. A friend told me the two guns share some history, but could not elaborate.
Is the 3200 a good gun to invest in ? Would parts be hard to procure if required ?
Thanks
Kind Regards
Con Kapralos
Adelaide, Australia
Re: Remington 3200 compared to current Krieghoffs Alan - 08:27 14/02/2001
Hi Con,
The only similarities between the K-80 and the Remingtom 3200 are in appearance. The Remington 3200 is a completely different design internally. No parts are interchangeable and this applies even to the visible similar parts such as top latch and barrel hangers.
The Krieghoff and Remington do share some history; here is the story, as I know it. The original Remington Model 32 was the forerunner of the Krieghoff Model 32. The Remington earned some popularity in the USA but production was ceased around the time of WWII and never picked up again. The gun was too expensive to manufacture and Remington decided it would not sell in sufficient numbers at the true cost of production. Thankfully there were some enthusiasts over there who just would not accept that and so they acquired the patent rights and went in search of a manufacturer. That manufacturer was Krieghoff. They liked the look of the gun and could see some potential. Before putting it into production some changes were made, especially to the trigger system and the Krieghoff Model 32 was born. Production started around the mid 1950s. Since that time the gun has been continually refined and improved. The K-80 that we shoot today may look a lot like the old 32 outside but it is in fact very different. The factory are constantly changing the shape of a part here or the material there, always striving for that elusive perfection - a gun that never ever breaks down. The K-80 is very close to that but so long as there is room for improvement Krieghoff will continue to look at it.
The Remington 3200 was introduced, I think, in 1974. The Krieghoff was attracting quite a following in the USA and Remington I guess wanted some of the action. The 3200 was quite popular for a time and did have some nice feature - the combined safety/selector being one. Sales never reached sufficient levels and the gun was discontinued. I do not know what the part situation is. Here in the UK it was possible to get parts up to a few years ago but I think it might prove more difficult now. The Remington 3200 internals made a lot of use of machine pressed parts and making replacements should not be too much of a problem for a skilled pair of hands. Cost is likely to be high though.
Wanted W.Gray - 12:44 15/02/2001
I am new gun very interested in buying,a use K80 32in Parcours. I have a budget of £2500 can any one help
Re: Wanted Alan - 13:06 15/02/2001
The K-80 Parcours is a fairly recent specification and features taper flat rib and factory screw-in chokes. Most have been made in the last seven or eight years and currently fetch prices well above your budget. As a rule of thumb a used K-80 will be about 80% of new price, less deductions for condition and missing case etc. This means that used Parcours models appear on the market from a low of £3,500 up to £4,750 in Standard grade. An average price today is around the £4,250, if with the original case and in good condition. If the stock shows some marks, the bluing is a little worn and the case is missing then expect around £3,750.
Older models will have the K-80 logo on the receiver and are almost always fixed choke guns. Prices of these vary greatly because they are all between 10 and 20 years old. You may find an example in the £2,500 bracket. Models in first class condition fetch around £2,950 - £3,250 and a well usaed model can be as low as £2,200. This is assuming that the gun is original with all the numbers matching and in good condition. Mis-matched barrels, altered woodwork and bored out chokes reduce the value dramatically.
You best bet is to look for a good used early K-80 and have Teague chokes fitted when your budget will run to it. If you come across one you are always welcome to contact me with the serial number and I can tell you the age and provide any advice you may need. I can tell you though that used K-80s are very rare animals but good luck in your search,
Alan.
bore justin - 19:03 18/02/2001
i have a beretta 682 gold and it is marked with the bore measurement of 18.3. what is that equivelent to .7? the reason for asking is that i wish to buy some teague replacement chokes and because they give you the measurement of each one , i want to be able to work out exactly how many thou of choke i'm getting. thank you.
Re: bore Alan - 21:40 18/02/2001
Hi Justin,
The 18.3 is the nominal bore size in mm so to convert to inches just divide by 25.4 which gives you an approximate bore size of 0.720". Bear in mind though that the stamped bore size does not always equal the actual bore size and the only way to be certain is to have your barrels measured.
Alan
Bending a stock ? best method to use Con Kapralos - 02:29 22/02/2001
Dear Alan,
I have a stock on an U/O which seems to be too low for me. What method do you suggest for raising the height of the stock, via bending it ? If bending it is not recommended for increasing the height, what other options are there to get my face sitting correctly on that particular stock ?
Thanks
Kind Regards
Con Kapralos
Re: Bending a stock ? best method to use Alan - 08:15 22/02/2001
You can raise the height of your stock by bending but you should be aware that this will not only raise the comb. When you bend a stock you bend the whole thing and this means that the heel comes up as well. You may find that the heel will be too high to be comfortable in its new position; it all depends on how much you need it bent.
There are basically two methods of bending - the traditional way using hot linseed oil or a more recent development with the heat generated by infrared lamps. I have seen it done using boiling water and copious amounts of grease and plastic. This is not a job for an amateur as the stock is easily cracked and you should take get it to an expert who will also advise you on how much increase in height you need.
The other way of raising the comb is to have the comb made adjustable. The plus side of this is that only the comb moves and everything else stays exactly were it is. You can experiment with the setting until you get the correct sight picture and then lock it up and shoot it. Do not fall into the trap of altering the comb every time you have a bad day.
My personal opinion is that the adjustable comb is a useful tool and is widely accepted as normal on a competition gun. We hardly ever sell a Trap gun without the adjustable comb these days. An adjustable comb can spoil the look of the stock and if you are sensitive to this you should consider bending. Bear in mind that bending is not always permanent as wood is a natural material and can sometimes wander back.
Alan
K-80 chokes Rich McKinley - 05:44 24/02/2001
Dear Alan-in one of your previous posts you stated the sizes of the various K-80 chokes. Cyl=.000, Skeet=.005, I.C.=.12, etc, In asking a local Krieghoff dealer why the chokes weren't in .005 increments as most chokes are he said to his knowledge that they were. Could you please clarify this for me? I plan on measuring the bore and the chokes to see how they come out but I am wondering if Krieghoff does in fact make their chokes not a .005 scaling system and if not, why not? I appreciate your clearing this up for me-yours is an opinion I can always count on. Thank You. Rich
Re: K-80 chokes Alan - 13:22 24/02/2001
Hi Rich,
Sorry for the tardy reply but I had to go and measure a full set of chokes to confirm that what I believe to be correct is so. Now I don't know when I ever wrote that a K-80 IC tube is .012" as I know that it is not and looking back over the last year or so I seem to have always stated the correct size, 0.007". If I ever wrote different than that then my apologies, I must have been on a different planet at the time. K-80 choke sizes are different from what is regarded as standard measurement and this is simply because choke is a performance not a measurement and the size is what Krieghoff find is needed to get the job done out of a K-80 barrel when you take all the factors into account. Things such as forcing cone length, bore size, internal finish and the actual choke length and profile.
The actual measured size of K-80 choke tubes is as follows. Please note these figures are the difference between choke exit diameter and bore size as this is what counts, not the difference between the choke skirt and muzzle.
00= 0.000", 0= 0.003", 1= 0.007", 1+= 0.012", 2= 0.017", 2+= 0.022", 3= 0.027", 4= 0.033", 5= 0.040"
These are actual measurements using a standard set of K-80 barrels with bore size 18.6mm, 0.732". The method used was to screw the choke into the barrel, insert the dial gauge from the muzzle and measure the bore about 3" behind the choke. The gauge is then withdrawn and the amount it has to be backed off to exit the muzzle is the amount of choke constriction relative to bore diameter. This is the figure that matters as the size of the choke skirt, or safety step, does not come into play. The shot load and wad jump the small gap and hit the forcing cone in milliseconds and I can assure you that the only measurement that matters is how much smaller than bore size the choke is.
Alan
Re: K-80 chokes Curt Goyette - 13:07 25/02/2001
Alan,
Everyone who owns a Krieghoff owes you for this web site and your untiring resolve in answering some of the more complex issues with accurate facts....for me thanks a million...anyone who reads this think about how much time it takes to get a whole set of chokes out and measure with precision what Alan did in answering the man on Chokes....I know I have done it and alan has it dead on.
Thanks again Alan
Curt
accuracy of choke tubes Con Kapralos - 02:36 26/02/2001
Dear Alan,
I was reading in a UK magazine that the constrictions marked on the Browning Invector ( short) choke tubes)
are actually incorrect, being more open than the actual
markings
Can you elaborate on this
Thanks
Con
Re: accuracy of choke tubes Alan - 08:20 26/02/2001
Hi Con,
I have a policy of not criticising another maker's product as I do not think it is fair to do this. I am sure that you can understand that. I suggest you mail Browning and ask them the choke dimensions they use.
Alan
Re: accuracy of choke tubes Con kapralos - 22:22 26/02/2001
Alan ,sorry to be of inconvenience. Fair enough point you made. shall contact Browning about this
Thanks
Con
Engraving justin - 11:56 02/03/2001
Can you please let me know what styles are available on a standard K-80. i looked at your section on engraving and thought that there was a mistake because in the standard section there was a very ornate pattern that looked more like a top of the range. thank you for your help.
Re: Engraving Alan - 21:37 02/03/2001
Hi Justin,
Standard engraving pattern is arabesque scroll, the illustrations you are looking at are "Standard" patterns as different from Custom. Krieghoff can do anything you like on the engraving from a simple addition of your intitials up to a complete custom design especially for you. We have a number of popular patterns such as Parcours Special and Gold Super Scroll which we refer to as "Standard" patterns. I can see how you were confused by this and I will look to changing the terminology on the engraving page. I just looked and it could do with a few more illustrations as well. Watch this space.
Alan
events justin - 09:07 03/03/2001
Thanks for your reply alan. could you also tell me if Krieghoff plan to sponsor any english sporting events in the future ?
Re: events Alan - 23:14 03/03/2001
Hi Justin,
We have no plans for involvement in any English Sporting events in the UK for 2001 as we are fully committed with the Classic FITASC and Classic DTL. Next years calendar has not been considered as yet.
Alan
ben husthwaite j.hardwicke - 17:47 08/03/2001
Alan, could you tell me if ben is now shooting a KRIEGHOFF again. I know that he used to and then changed to a KEMEN. could you also tell me who else uses a KRIEGHOFF for english sporting.
Re: ben husthwaite Alan - 18:38 08/03/2001
To the best of my knowledge Ben is using his K-80 this season and I am told he has placed a statement in the magazines to that effect. As for the second part of your question you can't be serious! You may have heard of Phil Smith, Shaun Stacey, Haggis Hartman, Kate Brown. all enjoy considerable success with their K-80s but I really can't list everyone I know who shoots a K-80,it would be crazy. Trust me when I tell you that a large number of shooters here in the UK and the USA use a K-80 to pretty good effect for Sporting Clays.
Alan
Re: ben husthwaite j.hardwicke - 20:13 08/03/2001
Thanks for the reply. Do you know why he changed to KEMEN for a while ?
Re: ben husthwaite Alan - 20:41 08/03/2001
No idea, probably just fancied trying something else for a while.
Alan
chokes justin - 13:12 17/03/2001
If you order a fixed choke K-80 , are they a set size or can you have what chokes you want ?
Re: chokes Alan - 08:29 18/03/2001
You can specify whatever choke that you prefer.
K32's lonnie Dennis - 12:10 23/03/2001
Hi,
I am new to Kreighoff and curious about the K32. I noticed that they are not on the Kreighoff web page, are they discontinued? Thanks. Lonnie
Re: K32's Alan - 12:55 23/03/2001
The Model 32 was discontinued at the end of 1979 when the K-80 was introduced. The K-80 is acctually a development of the K-32 but so many new features were introduced at that time that a name change was appropriate. The K-80 has continued to evolve to the point that the internals of a K-80 made today are quite a lot different from the first 1980 models. These changes apply to things like material specification as well as mechanical design changes. As new and better materials become available Krieghoff incorporate them into the design always looking to make a better product.
K-80 Signature Bleddyn Davies - 15:38 26/03/2001
Hello Alan ...
hope this mail finds you well - and thanks for the brochure that you sent through quite recently.
Just wondering why the K-80 LW Signature isn't in there - is it because the current brochure is international and the LW K-80 is made for the British market ?
Do you have any literature on the LW? Specifically, I'd like to know how much lighter it is than a standard
K-80.
Many thanks ..
Bleddyn
Re: K-80 Signature Alan - 15:55 26/03/2001
You are correct about the Signature LW - it is produced soley for the UK market and is not sold in other countries although I am certain it could be ordered. The only literature on the Signature LW is what you see on this web site. The weight is approximately 7lbs 10 ozs which makes it about 1lb lighter than the K-80 with the steel receiver. The Signature LW uses a Dural receiver, reinforced at impact points with steel inserts. This receiver is also available as an option on K-80 Sporting models.
Krieghoff sxs Stan Swears - 23:58 27/03/2001
I have a K-80 and a K-20 and would love a Krieghoff side by side to add to these fine guns. Can you tell me if such guns exist and where I could find them? Thank you, Stan
Re: Krieghoff sxs Alan - 22:53 29/03/2001
Krieghoff make a side-by-side in 20b. This is built on their Classic rifle action and it does make a very nice gun. If you tell me what country you live in then I can probaly tell you who to contact. In the UK it would be me and in the USA, Krieghoff International.
Barrell weight Joe Lauver - 22:37 29/03/2001
What weight barrells (in kilograms) would you recommend for a 7 3/4 pound sporter, in order to produce a lively gun with a slight forward balance?
Re: Barrell weight Alan - 22:51 29/03/2001
There is no answer possible to this question. The weight of barrel required is a little more than the total weight of everything behind the point of balance. Without knowing what that weight is I cannot even guess.
Alan
Hammer cocking in K-80/RT Jim T. - 18:42 04/04/2001
Alan, I recently had my K-80/RT undergo its annual maintenance by an authorised gunsmith, but now the bottom barrel has not been cocking periodically. Perhaps once out of 50 shots or so. I use a double release trigger. I heard an ugly rumor that the RT was discontinued for just this reason, but I'm hoping this is just that, a rumor. any ideas. I love this gun and I plan to take it back to the gunsmith, but would appreciate any input you may have so I can lead him in the correct direction. Thank you, Jim
Re: Hammer cocking in K-80/RT Alan - 20:02 04/04/2001
Hi Jim, Sorry to hear you are having some problems. From what you say I assume that your RT was working fine before you had it serviced and the non-cocking has only materialised since. If this is the case then it sounds as if servicing has upset the cocking somehow. I suggest you contact Norbert Haussman at Krieghoff International, Ottsville, PA - 610 847 5173. I can assure you that there is nothing wrong with the gun that Norbert can't fix. The RT has not been discontinued and you can order one today. the very early RTs had one or two minor problems but they have been sorted a while ago and the RT is a very reliable gun. We have one here that has two trigger mechanisms, Pull/Pull and Release/Pull or Release/Release depending which part I put in. This RT is used as a demo gun and has been shot by a lot of shooters without a single problem of any description. I am sure that Norbert can help with your problem as the K-80RT. like all Krieghoffs, is a very reliable gun.
Let me know how you get on.
Alan
new barrels for ulm peter - 10:07 07/04/2001
I have an Kreighoff ULM caliber 12/70 over and under.
Can i by over and under rifle barrels in caliber 7x65R
or 9,3x74R?
what about the weight?
Re: new barrels for ulm Alan - 11:04 07/04/2001
The Ulm is custom built and extra barrels in either or both calibers can be made for your gun. As for the weight I do not have exact figures. Fitted weight will depend on barrel length and there is not much scope for deviation from standard figures.
Alan
Grading Krieghoff wood Bleddyn Davies - 22:39 11/04/2001
Hello again Alan,
I'm just enquiring if it's possible to tell the grade of wood on a Krighoff. I've been told that there is a stamp on the stock or fore-end which enables one to identift the grade. Is this correct?
I not, could you advie of any way to identify the grade?
Many thanks again .. hope you are well.
Bleddyn
Re: Grading Krieghoff wood Alan - 08:25 12/04/2001
There is no stamp on either stock or forearm wood to identify grade. All grading is done by eye and by comparison. With experience you get quite good at it. We always grade by the worst side so if we get a stock with good strong figuring on one side, which we may call Category 05 but a little less well marked on the other, say Category 04, then we grade that stock as Category 04. Wood is a very personal thing though and what one person may like another may not, no matter what the Category is. There is no easy way to tell without experience and even then it is open to difference of opinion. As I say though, working to a set of established "rules" for what characteristics each Category should exhibit, it is surprising how consistently two people can grade a batch of stocks.
Alan
signature j - 16:49 18/04/2001
did you think that the signature sporter was going to be more popular than it is ?
Re: signature admin - 18:06 18/04/2001
Frankly no. The Signature was made in response to a demand from some shooters who felt that the K-80 was too heavy. We did not anticipate the demand to be very high but those who bought the gun have been very pleased with the handling and the relatively low recoil, considering the light weight. The Signature is still in our product line and will continue so to satisfy those who want the reliability of the K-80 but need something lighter. For those who find the standard model too spartan in appearance we can of course supply an identical weight gun with engraving and wood of choice.
Now a question for you. Why no name and email address? If you have a question you are welcome to ask but it is good manners to provide at least your name. If you do not supply an email address I cannot advise you that I have responded to your query.
Alan
Alan
K-32 serial number Ralph - 14:33 19/04/2001
Hi Alan,
I just bought a used K-32 from a friend at our club. Can you tell me when and where the gun was made. It seems to have an early serial number that being 1576. The gun was purchased two years ago from Paxton Arms. Recently the young fellow had the barrel ears rebuilt and an annual done on it. He also had K-80 wood and a trigger guard installed. Thanks, Ralph
Re: K-32 serial number Alan - 19:46 19/04/2001
Not a lot I can tell you about this one other than it was almost certainly made in the early 60s. It was made at the factory in Ulm which is where all K-32s, and now K-80s, are made. Spares and parts are still available and many K-80 parts will fit or can be made to with a little work. Hope you enjoy shooting it.
Alan
Re: K-32 serial number Ralph - 13:53 20/04/2001
Thanks Alan, I was hoping that someone had a listing of serial numbers on file. Most of the American gun manufacturers have records showing the dates vs numbers. You really have a nice website here and after I asked for your help I went through your archives and found a similar question. I enjoyed reading your Q & A's. I didn't realize that you were in the UK until I received your answer. I'm almost 69 years old and didn't start shooting skeet until 4 years ago. Seems a little late in life to be getting a nice gun like the Krieghoff. Over here new K guns are 2 1/2 times more than I paid for this used one with the Purbaugh tubes. I'm lucky that several shooting buddies are well versed with the Krieghoff lines and they've been the driving force for me to become one of the "Clan". Thanks Again for the timely advise, Ralph Krach
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