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krieghoff john roberts - 10:51 11/08/2001
are krieghoff just a modified remington as at first glance they appear so
Re: krieghoff Alan - 21:02 17/08/2001
Hi John,
Once again sorry to be so slow in posting a reply but I have been away from the office the past week - this is a crazy time of year for us. Anyway the answer to your question is No! but a little more explanation is required. The Remington that I guess you have in mind is the 3200 and there are still a number around. Cosmetically they appear similar to the K-80 but are very different guns. The Remington 3200 was first introduced around 1974 and the Krieghoff Model 32 had already been in production some eighteen years by then. There was an earlier Remington - the Model 32 which is seldom seen here in the UK. This gun had ceased production at the onset of WWII and did not pick up again after the war. This Remington Model 32 was the forerunner of the Krieghoff Model 32 which started production around 1956. A number of changes were made, especially to the trigger, before production began. Today the K-80 is such a very different gun that it cannot be described as a modified Remington. There you have it.
Alan
Nickel plating on receiver Rick del Monte - 18:44 27/08/2001
Alan, I have noticed that my ten year old K-80 gets dark areas on the Nickel finish from where my hands hold the receiver. After shooting I can clean it up with an oily rag, but there are still some darker areas, particularly on the bottom. I have seen this before on the French Gray finish, but not on the Nickel. Does the Nickel wear off over time, or do I just need to apply a special cleaner? Thank you for any suggestions.
Rick
Re: Nickel plating on receiver Alan - 22:21 27/08/2001
I have seen this once or twice in the past and it is caused by salt deposits from your hands. Although the nickel finish is very durable and quite hard to mark, it will darken from contact with salt. In most cases this can be removed by polishing with a metal cleaner but this also tends to brighten the nickel finish. If all else fails the receiver can be re-nickelled which will restore it to as new condition.
Re: Nickel plating on receiver Rick del Monte - 19:18 29/08/2001
Alan, thank you for your reply. I will give the polish a try in some discreet area to see if i cam make it better.
Rick
SxS Kreighoff? Don Yost - 02:19 01/09/2001
Alan: Did Kreighoff build a pre -1945 SxS? 12 - 16 - 20 gauge? Have you ever had one for sale? What range would you expect one to sell for if in fact they exist? Thank you for all these ?????
Don Yost
Re: SxS Kreighoff? Alan - 09:53 01/09/2001
Sorry Don but I cannot help you with this. As I have said here many times in the past, all records prior to 1945 are lost. It may be that sxs shotguns were built, probably they were. I have never seen one and the value would depend on the specification and the condition. That is as much as I can say.
Alan
Chamber Rust Jim Thomas - 15:03 04/09/2001
I shoot sporting events quite frequently and, am careful about plastic residue build-up in my barrels and chokes. As a result, I usually scrub my bores every 200-300 rounds. That usually occurs at least once each week and sometimes more often. I use a brass brush for both chokes and bores. Recently, I noticed a rust build-up in my chamber that was alarming. I immediately used a larger diameter brass chamber brush chucked in a portable drill. After repeated scrubbing, I was able to get the chambers clean. What causes chamber rust such as I experienced? I have never noticed it before during my frequent cleanings. Is their a way to prevent it in the future? Are the use of moisture displacing lubricants such as WD-40 effective in preventing such rust. Do I need to use a larger diameter brush at each cleaning to make sure no residue rust is allowed to remain in the chambers?
Re: Chamber Rust Alan - 21:47 04/09/2001
This is a difficult problem to diagnose remotely. As a general rule it should be taken for granted that your gun and chambers should be cleaned after every use, not just every 2 - 300 rounds. Rust can get a hold in the chamber after a single box of cartridges as the burning propellent generates heat and moisture, ideal conditions for rust to form. The use of a brass brush in a drill is the worst thing you can do and will make the problem worse. The rotation of the brush scours minute scratches around the bore and chamber. These scratches will encourage both lead and plastic to pick up in the bore. The scratches in the chamber provide a place for moisture and fouling to collect where they cannot be removed by normal cleaning as the brush passes over the top of the grooves. You should use a brass chamber brush but it should not be rotated in the chamber. The use of a good powder solvent will also help build up a resistance to rust and this should be used every time you clean the gun. Very thin moisture displacing oil is not suitable for this purpose as it is just too thin to provide any protection and will dry out. There is also some evidence to suggest that some of these oils combined with the residue left by certain types of powder combine into a rust coloured liquid that dries in the heat of the chamber leaving a rough rust like deposit. The pressure has welded this depoit onto the walls of the chamber and it is the very devil to remove. Thorough cleaning eventually removes it and there is no pitting underneath which does indicate that it was not rust. The only reason I think there is something in this is because I have seen a red film form all around the breech end of a gun when certain cartridges have been used. This film is a dry red dust that looks exactly like rust but it is all over the breech end of the barrels and even on the receiver. It is easily wiped off externally but much more difficult inside the chamber.
Without seeing your gun that is about all I can say but one thing is certain, a regular cleaning routine after every use will prevent any rust from developing.
Precision Fit Stock Absorber Adjustment Bleddyn davies - 16:26 06/09/2001
hello Alan .. hope you're well.
I'm getting on well with my Precision Fit Stock, but I'm not sure if I'm getting the optimum value from it yet - the problem being that I haven't taken it to it's 'soft' limit as I'm a little nervous about the Absorber Adjustment Screw falling out, causing the washers inside to be disrupted. Is this a possibility or am I worrying about nothing.
How can I tell when the unit is at it's hardest or softest setting?
Many thanks (again) .. Bleddyn
Re: Precision Fit Stock Absorber Adjustment Alan - 21:09 06/09/2001
Hi Bleddyn,
It is very unlikely that the adjustment screw will actually fall out. If you look down inside the tube from the back you will see a smaller diameter tube which the adjusting screw is threaded into. The screw actually has a short guide rod attached to it. You should definitely not bring it out any further than flush with the end of this smaller tube. I actually do not recommend that you unscrew it even this far and I would consider five turns in as the minimum. You may get away with less but could have problems with the Belvilles inside. If you completely "unload" the Belvilles they may slip sideways and come into contact with the side walls of the tube. This will result in a not very smooth action and will increase friction. Five turns in will keep some weight on and prevent this from happening. If yours do come out of line it is easily cured by inserting a guide rod down the centre of the Belvilles from the front end. I will send you instructions if you have this problem.
I do not believe that any measurable increase in recoil reduction is achieved once you go less than five turns in anyway.
Alan.
Older Model 32 PJR - 21:49 09/10/2001
Recently I examined a Model 32 with a serial number of 6XX. The barrel selector was different than the usual Model 32 selector and the safety was a sliding piece without the usual push buttom locking mechanism. Was this standard on older Model 32s or does this gun have a replacement trigger/selector and safety?
Re: Older Model 32 Alan - 08:58 10/10/2001
Impossible to be sure without actually seeing the gun but my guess is that this has the original style trigger and safety. If I am correct the barrel selector will be a round button that pushes from right to left as different from the more usual lever. The serial number of the gun - 3 digits - does indicate a very early Model 32 made in the early 60s. Sorry I can't provide more information without seeing the gun.
Alan
Fan firing RickdM - 01:37 31/10/2001
Alan, about every 600-700 rounds my K-80 will fan fire (bam-bam, rather than a true double). This only happens while in 12 gauge, the 20 gauge tubes do not seem to cause this problem. This seems to be something that is more common on Kreighoffs than on most other O/Us, which seem to double rather than fan fire. Any suggestions on what could be causing this? Since it is not too serious I will probably wait for the yearly service to have it looked at, but it does leave me rather startled when it happens.
Thanks,
Rick
Re: Fan firing Alan - 16:40 31/10/2001
Without checking the gun over I am guessing but the most likely and common cause of this is a loose grip on the gun allowing it to jump back under recoil. A recoil reducing device of the type that allows the gun to travel backwards will also cause doubling for the same reason. The fact that it is only happening with your 12g barrels indicates that it is recoil associated and my guess is that you do not always grip the gun tightly when shooting. This can be tuned out by reducing the changeover speed of the selector. As you will be aware, the K-80 selects the second barrel really fast and for some shooters it is just too quick. Changing this will almost certainly cure the problem without any downside to your shooting.
Alan
Re: Fan firing RickdM - 19:02 31/10/2001
Thank you Alan, you are insightful as usual. It does seem like when I have the fan fire it is when the gun is not firmly mounted. I will have to do some tests to see if I can get it to reproduce.
Thanks,
Rick
Re: Fan firing Alan - 19:52 31/10/2001
You can probably reproduce this by keeping the gun a little out of the shoulder pocket and pulling the trigger with a loose grip. Be careful though as you can get quite a jolt from the recoil. I suggest only putting one cartridge in for the test. If both ejectors fire when you open the gun then you know both barrels fired.
inherited krieghof michael j sovansky - 15:25 12/11/2001
MY FATHER ALBERT D. SOVANSKY passed away and I INHERITED a Krieghof krs? 80 trap set. I would like to find out about its being registered or not, its approximate value and info on how and where it could be sold.
Re: inherited krieghof Alan - 10:45 18/11/2001
With the information you have provided I cannot tell you anything about the gun. I need, as a minimum, the serial number and your father's country of residence. If you do not want to post those details here then send the information to me by email to alan@krieghoff.co.uk.
Pitch - How does it affect POI? Anil - 02:26 15/11/2001
Hi Allen,
I am not a serious competition shooter. I shoot mainly sporting and a bit of trap and skeet. In order to be able to shoot all three disciplines, I have installed an 'adjustable comb' to my 12 G Trap O/U. When I move the comb right down (approx 3/8 of an inch) to the lowest level and mount the gun from 'gun down' position, I still see a bit if rib in-between the two beads. On a pattern sheet I find that my POI is approx. 5 inches above the aiming mark. The POI has certainly come down compared to when the comb is at the highest leval. No changes have been made to the butt and the original recoil pad is on the gun. It appears to me that by moving the comb down, the POI does not respond as it theoretically should.
Would it be possible to lower the POI by making a slight alteration to the the PITCH? If so, to what extent?
What are the after-effects of making such an alteration? Will it have an adverse effect when the comb is moved up, for trap?
I also get the feeling that the stock is a little bit too long. 'Length of pull' is 14 1/2 inches. I am considering, shortening it by 1/4 inch.
I would like to have your opinion on the above.
Thank you,
Anil.
Re: Pitch - How does it affect POI? Alan - 10:57 18/11/2001
You have uncovered one of the great myths of shotgunning - that comb height changes point of impact, it doesn't, it changes line of sight. Changing where you are looking may or may not affect where the gun shoots, it all depends on the way you shoot. If you aim the gun using the front bead like a rifle front sight then you will find that a high comb equals a high shot placement. However, if you look over the gun and use the rib as a subconscious aiming aid, you will find that the height of the comb makes little difference unless it is so low that you lift your head to see over the rib. In this case a low comb can make you shoot high. Trust me on this, changing comb height does not change point of impact.
Changing the pitch will not make any difference to the point of impact either. Pitch affects comfort and how easily you can mount the gun. I have carried out many tests using guns with adjustable pitch and I can tell you that changing from extreme down to extreme up-pitch does not move the point of impact at all but it certainly makes a big difference to recoil.
As for the length I cannot make any comment on whether you should shorten the stock or not as I have no way of knowing what stock length you need. I suggest that you visit a stock fitter who will be able to advise you.
Re: Pitch - How does it affect POI? Anil - 00:34 02/12/2001
Thank you Alan, for the information.
Barrel Hangers Graham Boydell - 16:53 05/12/2001
Alan, I am seriously considering buying a K80 some time soon (32", 3/4 & F, Sporter), but one thing that has concerned are the complexities of choosing the right barrel hangers. Clearly, as far as I'm concerned I want both barrels to shoot where I'm looking. How does this translate to hanger selection and what factors should influence the right choice of hanger?
Hope you can enlighten me?
Graham
Re: Barrel Hangers Alan - 17:50 05/12/2001
Hi Graham,
This is one point that you should definitely not worry about. The point of impact on a K-80 can be adjusted and this is most certainly preferable to owning a gun that does not shoot where you would like but cannot be altered! All Sporting K-80's are set up at the factory to shoot both barrels to the same point of aim as this is what just about all Sporting shooters would require. Trap shooters may like their first barrel to shoot a little higher than the second, as do I, and this is easily achieved by changing the front hanger. If you purchase a K-80 and find that you would prefer a different hanger than the one fitted we are pleased to exchange it at no cost to you. The hangers are easily changed with a pair of special pin punches and it is something you could easily do yourself if required.
Not all K-80s will have the same number front hanger even though they may shoot to the same point. Screw choke guns have a different numbering system than fixed choke barrels and in any event there will be differences between guns. There are 8 hangers in a complete set, 9 for fixed choke, and each moves impact appoximately 3" but again this may vary gun to gun depending on barrel length etc. If you order a sporter it will come with both barrels shooting together so you have no worries there.
Alan
Re: Barrel Hangers Graham Boydell - 09:12 06/12/2001
Many thanks for the prompt reply Alan, one final question, if I purchased a used K80, what barrel hanger number should I check is fitted to ensure that the factory fitted one has not been 'mucked about with'?
Graham
Re: Barrel Hangers Alan - 10:36 06/12/2001
There is really no way to tell. Normally, the original hanger would have the last three digits of the serial number stamped on the inside flat of the dovetail but you need to remove the hanger to see that. No number does not conclusively prove it is not the original as I have seen unnumbered hangers fitted. Nor can I say what hanger is fitted as standard as the hanger fitted is the one that achieves the result required on final pattern testing. Typically this will be a #4 on screw choke barrels but it could be one size either side of that. Fixed choke barrels seem to vary more but a #6 or #7 seems most often used. Again a size either side, say #5 or even #8 is possible. Lastly it is possible that the original hanger fitted was requested by the customer at time of order. We do sometimes get a request on a new gun for a particular hanger size to be fitted, probably because the customer has had previous good experience with a gun using this hanger size. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Re: Barrel Hangers Graham Boydell - 11:54 06/12/2001
Alan, that's fine, thanks very much for your help.
G
Brass Shavings Steve Sawyer - 09:53 15/12/2001
Alan,
I have a new K80 and I'm getting a brass shavings buildup in the reciever after a round of sporting clays. It seems that the rear of the shell is occasionally being "shaved" by the reciever whilst closing the action. Have you seen this before? What can I do - it seems like the back edge of the ejector needs to filed - or some such procedure
... thanks in advance for your attention to this
Re: Brass Shavings Alan - 12:21 15/12/2001
I know what the problem is, or at least I can make a good guess. The firing pins in a K-80 are housed in a block which protrudes through, and lies flush with, the breech face. This is the ring that you can see around each firing pin. This block is in one piece and holds both firing pins. Sometimes this block moves backwards a couple of thou and leaves a tiny step just below either the top or bottom pin. You can probably feel it with your fingernail. As you close a K-80 the cartridge rim slides down the breech face and this tiny step is taking a shaving as it passes. The only cure is to return the gun and we will re-position the block. Once this is done the problem will not recur. The job can be turned around in 24 hours and there is no charge as we consider this warranty work.
At this time I ahve no explanation why this happens, theoretically it should not be possible. The problem affects a very small number of K-80s and I have made the factory aware of it. Sorry you have had this happen on your K-80.
Alan
Any known problems with K-80 Lt. Wt. Model ?? bob black - 04:43 17/12/2001
I have heard rumors of serious problems with the Lt.Wt.gun, but haxe no real knowledge if this might be true. Do you have any knowledge of such problems ??
Re: Any known problems with K-80 Lt. Wt. Model ?? Alan - 08:42 17/12/2001
I have no knowledge of serious problems with the Lightweight receiver. In any event you can be sure that Krieghoff will stand behind anything they manufacture. This said there are one or two points that you need to consider about the lightweight guns.
Firstly, the receiver is made of Dural, a lightweight alloy, not steel. Although this material has a very high tensile strength it is soft compared to steel. What this means in practice is that it is more easily damaged. If you drop it on a hard surface you can expect some bad marks. If you fail to keep it clean and lubricated then it will wear on bearing surfaces. Such things are facts of life, a soft alloy cannot take the beating that hardened steel will.
Secondly, the light weight will increase recoil. This is not a defect in the gun just the fact that light guns recoil more than heavy ones.
For the reasons above I do not personally recommend the lightweight receiver to my customers. Potential damage apart, the increased recoil rules the lightweight out for me. That said, if you want the reliability of a K-80 but need something lighter and you are prepared to take a little more care with the gun, then the lightweight is fine. I can tell you that one or two of my customers own and shoot these guns and love them. For them the weight and handling is perfect for their requirements and they will not hear a bad word said against the lightweight.
Alan
K-80 ssn Michael M. Koller - 22:52 24/12/2001
Alan, hope you can shed some light on this. My K-80 spt.serial#21775 exploded on me about a week ago.Everything is broke,bent cracked or nowhere to be found. What I'm told is the explosion was right in the chamber. That chamber is gone except for a small bottom piece. BBLS are not bulged or deformed.You can see where the chamber tore away from the top bbl.I was shooting low 3 on a round of skeet when it happened. Everything was normal ,no bad shells or poor breaks until then.It was a miracle no one was hurt. I have a small cut on my cheek and a bruise on my arm from the blast, the rest of the squad is without a scratch.Would appreciate an opinion on this as everyone is wondering.
Re: K-80 ssn Alan - 09:42 25/12/2001
First of all let me say how sorry I am to hear of your trouble - I know what a shock something like this is. I am very glad to hear that you are uninjured and likewise everyone else nearby at the time it happened.
Please understand it is hard for me to give an opinion without sight of the gun but what you describe are the classic symptoms of excess chamber pressure. A burst due to obstruction or any of the other possible causes of a burst are quite different. There are only two possible causes for the gun to burst at the chamber, one would be an overloaded cartridge and the other a weakened chamber. A weak chamber is very unlikely as all K-80s are proof tested at the time of manufacture, as are all guns made in Europe. This is a requirement of law and the test is designed to expose any flaw or weakness in the chamber. As your gun pased the Proof test and you have used it ever since, it is unlikely that it would suddenly fail in such a spectacular manner whilst shooting standard pressure cartridges. If you have not had any work carried out that could weaken the gun since it was Proof tested then I think you can rule out gun failure. Work falling under the heading of possibly weakening the barrel would be any welding or high temperature heat treatment, enlarging the bore and altering dimensions of forcing cones etc.
To determine the likely cause you need to collect every possible bit you can find, especially anything remaining of the cartridge case itself. You need to then submit these bits along with the gun for a preofessional inspectiomn. You do not say what country you reside in but in the UK that would be one of the Proof Houses at either London or Birmingham. If you need any help then please contact me and I will be glad to advise you as best I can.
Alan
Re: K-80 ssn Douglas H. S. Heiges - 12:24 12/01/2002
Hi Alan, Jan 12, 2002
I also have just had an exact experience as Michael. Nothing left, even the Stock was damaged. This occurred on Thursday, December 27th, 2001. After much examination and research it is my conclusion the barrels on my 80 were blown by perssures in excess of 60,000 psi. Shells being shot were factory. My gernade, as that of Michaels,gave me a deep puncture wound in the left forearm and may have damaged a nerve there as my hand still has numbness and a burning sensation. The top latch took my hat off and threw it 40 feet behind me. I am so glad no one else was hurt or killed! By the way the K-guns are designed to blow out and away, lesser than a 45 degree angle back, so as to protect the shooter should a bumb shell or should i say, "bomb shell" should occur!!
There was a piece of brass found at ground zero detached from the hull. My conclusion is at point of ignition the hull and brass separated, instantaneaous the hull launched forward and lodged in the forcing cones. The Shell at this point could not open and the forces went to the rear. The remaining brass shows signs of stretching and such pressure that the letters on the bottom are very faint. Extreme pressues to say the least if the barrels were sound. I have a couple of friends that experience the same shell separation only their payload did exit the barrel. The brass was found and the lodged hull had to be beat out with a piece of rebar!
Krieghoffs are the strongest guns on the market and i intend on continuing using their guns for my tournament shooting. I have yet to put a gun back to my face, but in time with the help of many great friends and my sub-gauge shooting (which i love with a passion) i will hopefully be the competitor that i was. Michael and myself are probably the safiest people to shoot with now, as far as gun explosions go, statistically speaking.
I would appreciate it Alan if you could put me in touch with Michael to ease each others minds. Thank you for your website.
Later, Breaking Clays,
Douglas H. S. Heiges
New K80 for DTL / Double Rise Comptetion shooting dlcole - 16:24 27/12/2001
Alan,
I am seriously considering moving from my current 682, to a K80, l am currently a class A dtl and double rise shooter and was wondering what set up you would recommend as a configeratation.
i.e fixed choke 3/4 and full or multi choke and fixed full ?
Also in purchasing a K80 is the gun fitted to me in anyway or is it up to me to arrange this after purchase.
Thanks
David
Re: New K80 for DTL / Double Rise Comptetion shooting Alan - 21:50 27/12/2001
My recommendation would be Krieghoff factory multichoke in both barrels. This is what I use myself and if you look at the DTL averages this year you will see that 1,2 and 3 are K-80 shooters and all use multichoke in both barrels. In fact six out of the top 10 in the averages use the K-80 and all use factory multichokes in both barrels.
The reasons are not hard to see. These screw-in chokes throw awesome patterns and the #2 tube in particular is something special. Screw-in chokes are ideal if you shoot doubles as well as singles as you can have exactly the right degree of choke for each target distance. The choke system also alows you to tune the gun to the particular cartridge you use and tighten up a notch if you are faced with hard targets. Note that there is nothing wrong with the fixed chokes if that is your preference but the screw-in chokes have the advantage.
We normally leave the gun fitting to our dealers but if you have a problem contact me.
Re: New K80 for DTL / Double Rise Comptetion shooting David - 15:41 29/12/2001
Thanks for the rapid reply, I will bear your advise in mind.
David
Angle of Rib Relative to Barrels Steve Welshman - 22:18 03/01/2002
Alan, I came close to buying a K80 a year ago but one thing put me off, the angle of the rib relative to the top barrel. As I shoot sporting and game, I'm used to seeing a certain amount of rib when the gun is mounted and this varies little from one gun to another. I've noticed however, that Krieghoff's tend to have more steeply angled ribs (relative to the top barrel) and my fear is that the sight picture will be significantly different to my game guns. True, I'm not often consiously aware of the rib when I shoot, but it's a nagging issue that stops me taking things further. Is there something about Krieghoff barrels that necessitates this rib arrangement or are they simply set up that way because that's what Krieghoff regards as being the best?
Re: Angle of Rib Relative to Barrels Alan - 09:11 04/01/2002
The K-80 rib is elevated at the rear and that may appear as if it will make the gun shoot high. In fact a K-80 fitted with a flat rib would shoot low and there no point at all in a shot pattern placed below the line of sight. It is a huge advantage to be able to have the target in view at all times as you can then quickly detect slight variations in flight. 50/50 is too flat for Sporting as you would need to blot out some targets to place them in the centre of the shot pattern. Once you loose sight of a target you loose sight of its flight path as well.
With a sight picture looking down the rib you will find the impact to be the classic 60/40 to 70/30 maximum. It depends a little on the individual shooter. These figures relate to the top barrel because the bottom barrel of the K-80 can be moved up or down as desired. Sporters will shoot both barrels to the same point of aim when they leave the factory.
To shooters used to a flat rib this may look a little strange at first but once you become familiar with the setup you will see that an elevated rib does have advantages. To my mind, the biggest advantage is lifting the eye up above the top lever and all the clutter at the back of the gun. This includes the top of your hand. Put simply I get a clearer view of the target along a K-80 rib. Raising the rib also has the effect of depressing the line of the barrels relative to line of sight and this puts the recoil in a more straight line which reduces muzzle flip.
The only disadvantage is that of familiarity. As most guns have flat ribs an elevated rib appears strange at first. After a short time yopu no longer notice and then the advantages come through.
Alan
barrels & forend parts Jack Bisinger - 14:55 12/01/2002
Dear Alan: Here in the U.S.often there are used K-gun barrels for sale. However, frequently there are no accompanying forend pieces (irons?). Does Krieghoff offer new forend metal that can be fitted thus solving such a problem? If so,can you approximate the cost( I can convert to u.s. dollars)? Thanks. Jack
Re: barrels & forend parts Alan - 23:16 12/01/2002
Jack,
Krieghoff do offer a spare forearm iron but I don't have a price without asking the factory. I don't understand what the problem is though. K-80 barrels are designed to fit your existing receiver and forearm iron. All changes are made to the barrels. Now if you buy a set of barrels that have already been fitted to another gun you may find that your forearm iron is not a good fit with these barrels but I bet the barrels don't fit well in other areas also. It is just that the forearm iron is easy to see. It is possible to build up the forearm lug and recut it to fit with your iron. New K-80 forearm irons actually have a little bar in the iron that can be replaced with a new part which is then cut to fit the loosest of the extra barrels. All your other barrels are then cut on the forearm lug to fit with this forearm. It is better to have one iron and receiver that interchange with the extra barrels. The only exception is if you need to regularily change the forearm wood for any reason. Personally I don't bother but if I did I guess I might want an extra iron to save the hassle of getting the screwdriver out.
Alan
Barrel length Howard - 20:48 20/01/2002
I have handled both 30" & 32" K80 guns and can't make up my mind. I love the Kreighoff choke system rather than the Breily, the choke numbers are easy to see and change. Both guns weigh around 8lb 11oz and both shoot very well. Any views from the Kreighoff shooting fraternity versus 30" v 32".
Re: Barrel length Alan - 15:35 21/01/2002
My comment would be it depends on what you are shooting. If you are an out and out DTL shooter then 32" screw choke is an excellent choice. If you shoot some ABT then 30" may be a better all around length. The 30" is definitely much easier to shoot for Sporting and I would say that the 32" screw choke barrels are too much of a handful for the average Sporting shooter. The 32" Briley choked barrels are popular with FITASC shooters here. 30" is perfect for Skeet. To sum up, the 30" is a good all round choice and suitable for all disciplines. It is also the easiest to shoot of all K-80 configurations. The 32" factory screw choke barrels fall into the category of Specialist equipment. Very steady and pointable but you need to be experienced to get the best out of them.
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