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K 20 Issues Harry Wiley - 23:53 10/06/2003
Hi Alan
Last week I took the plunge and bought an as new K-20 Super Scroll three barrel set, SN 001685.
The nickel finish on this gun is much more satin and not as lustrous as my K-80 Parcours Special, SN 24696. Did Krieghoff do this on purpose, or is this just an evolved production issue? Will the satin nickel get brighter with use?
I also noticed that only the 20 gauge barrel has the same SN as the reciever; the two other barrels have an "A" prefix SN. Is this the way the three barrel sets are shipped or has this gun been "assembled" from components?
Hope to see you in Kansas, where the Wizards (Wizard of Oz) live. If you come, there is an internet shotgun surfing web party on Thursday. I am going to bring some New Mexico Chile. Others have promised beer to put out the fire. Will you be there?
Harry
Re: K 20 Issues Alan - 14:56 11/06/2003
Hi Harry,
Glad to hear that you are now the proud owner of a K-20 Super Scroll. they are great shooting guns and I am sure you will have much fun with it.
Now to your questions. The satin finish is the current factory finish and personally I like it better. It may or may not be a deliberate change but I do know that legislation in Europe is constantly changing and the factory are always having to cope with a new chemical mix because legislation has forbidden the use of something or the other in the mix. I guess protecting the environment is good so we should not complain too much. Your K-20 will have had the extra barrels fitted at KI just the same as we do here. I would not say that "assembled from components" is the right description though as the extra barrels are oversize in every dimension and are fitted to the gun by a factory gunmaker. The same care and attention to detail applies as if they had been fitted to the gun in the factory. It is not a case of just picking a set off the shelf and shipping.
Lastly, you really know how to turn the knife! I would dearly love to be in Kansas for the World but cannot spare the time from my business here. The description of the Chile and beer just about does it. Anyway I hope you enjoy the event and can spare a thought for those of us who are not there.
Alan
Annoying trigger pulls Con Kapralos - 11:16 20/06/2003
Dear Alan,
hello. I would like to ask a question regarding an annoying trigger problem that I have (on my Browning B425 that is - Kreighoffs are hard to find Down Under !!). The problem is that now and then , when firing either the first or second barrel, it seems that the trigger hangs when i try to fire, and I basically have to release it and press it again. This occurs about 4 times per 100 shots, but its annoying. I periodically clean and lubricate the internals of my gun but the problem is still there. The gun is around 6 years old. Is this problem common in Brownings / Mirokus and how can it be remedied?
Thanks
Con
Re: Annoying trigger pulls Alan - 11:48 20/06/2003
Hi Con,
This is actually a very common problem and the solution is simple- you just have to let the trigger go between shots. This is actually true of all single trigger mechanisms - you must release the trigger before you can pull it a second time. Most of the time this is done without conscious thought but now and again you can get caught out as is happening to you. You need to look at this the same as driving a car with a manual gearbox. When you change gear you do not think about pressing the clutch in, you do it automatically. As human nature always reduces tasks to minimum effort you will keep reducing the amount you depress the pedal until you learn how far it has to go. It is the same with the trigger. you cannot pull staright through to fire the second barrel - you have to release it. All that is happening is that you are having to release the trigger on your current gun more than you did on the last one you were familiar with. Perhaps you are using two guns in which case this is messing up your trigger timing.
The K-80 is probably the most forgiving in this respect as the sear pushes down on the trigger group hard after firing the first barrel. This, in effect, pushes the trigger against the finger and forces you to release it. Typically the second barrel will select whilst you still have 1/2 to 3/4 lb weight on the trigger blade. On a Browning/Miroku this weight will be around 1 ounce and sometimes less. There is nothing wrong with the gun or the mechanism - it just works that way.
What you have to do is, for a time, consciously let the trigger go between shots, just as if you were using a double trigger gun and needed to switch triggers. This will feel odd at first but after a few shoots you will forget about it and do it without thought. Beware of shooting more than one gun though as this can mess you up.
Alan
Reply to my e mail - Annoying Trigger pulls Con Kapralos - 05:30 21/06/2003
Alan, Thanks for your reply. Your solution in the most obvious, but how you do explain the trigger hanging on the first shot?? (not after the first shot being fired?)
I know that you must release thr trigger between shots and I do, but the trigger hanging before the first shot is fired ? any clues?
Thanks
Con
Annoying Trigger pulls Alan - 08:19 21/06/2003
Sorry Con, I read your first posting as meaning that the trigger would not pull the second time and took your reference to first and second shots as the firing order, i.e top or bottom barrel first.
There are two probable explanations for this.
1) you have developed a flinch. That is when the brain gives the order to fire but nothing happens. You are convinced you have pulled the trigger but it didn't fire.
2) The inertia block is not dropping under the sear so that when you pull the trigger it slides up behind the sear.
There should be an easy way to tell the difference. If the trigger does travel back when pulled but the gun does not fire then it is not dropping under the sear. If the trigger feels locked solid then it is probably a flinch.
On this mechanism there must be some slack in the trigger. That is the trigger must have some free play before it engages with the sear. If there is not enough the inertia block will sometimes fail to drop under the sear when it returns forward and the gun will not fire. Many owners of these guns have had the trigger adjusted to take up the slack which is fine. the problem is that with wear the clearance will reduce and the gun will start to give problems.
With the stock off you should be able to see how much clearance you have and if you let the trigegr go very slowly you may be able to see that it is not dropping under the sear. Of course if you let it go a second time, more quickly, it will probably drop under and allow you to pull the trigger.
I am suspecting the latter and it should be easy for any gunsmith who understands the mechanism to adjust.
Nickel coming off craig - 20:15 24/06/2003
Dear Alan,
I have a 12 ga. K80 Parcours Special (serial # 26xxx) and noted last week there are two patches on the breech face close to the top firing pin where the nickel is coming off. At first it was just two 2-3 mm patches but it has grown considerably over the last month to where the two patches are joined. Is this a consern? Also there is a mark on the top latch which I just noticed about 1 mm dia. patch which looks like the nickel has come off too. I had a KS5 special do this and Krieghoff re-nickeled the gun under warranty, the problem was it took 4 months as I just cant afford to be without a gun for 4 months.
Thanks,
Craig
Re: Nickel coming off Alan - 21:38 24/06/2003
Hi Craig,
You have me a little confused. You say you only noticed the nickel problem last week but then say it has become worse over the last month!! how do you know? I am guessing a typing error of the sort I make all the time. Joshing apart, the nickel coming off is a problem and you do need to get it to KI for them to take a look at. We do see this from time to time although it is a very small number of receivers that are affected. The possible causes are many from a tiny amount of contamination to outside chemical influences. As yours is on the breech face I can hazard a guess at one possible cause for your problem. Many bore solvents contain additives that dissolve nickel and copper deposits from the bore walls. These are designed for use in rifles and are intended to remove the deposits left in the bore from jacketed bullets. Of course the same solvents are used in sotguns and work very well, especially in removing plastic and lead from the barrels. I use such a solvent myself BUT you need to read the small print. As the solvent eats nickel you have to be very careful to keep it away from your nice shiny nickel plated receiver. Brief contact will do no harm so long as it is wiped off but cleaning the barrels and then standing the gun in a cupboard allows the nickel to drain back onto the breech face. Over time it will get under even Krieghoff nickel. Whenever I see nickel lifting on the breech face I suspect cleaning solvent and a couple of questions to the owner confirm it. The problem is cosmetic in so far as it will not harm your gun to continue shooting it. The breech face can be polished by KI to improve the appearance but long term you will need a re-nickel.
Alan
Re: Nickel coming off Craig - 01:14 25/06/2003
Yes, it was a typo, my brain working quicker than my fingers. I noticed the nickel coming off a month ago but I competed recently and shot about 800 targets in two competitions and the last week I noticed it worsen.
Whats the cost to have it re-nickeled. Also I noted in a previous post that the 'new' nickel finish is more satin in nature, mine is a highly polished nickel, I agree with you Alan the newer nickel looks better.
Thanks
Craig
One question is that will KI re-nickel the front iron (in the foreend) the top latch as well to match? What is the turn around time?
Re: Nickel coming off Alan - 07:36 25/06/2003
There are costs in shipping to Europe and back again from the USA that I d not have information on. If you give KI a call they will be able to tell you. They will do some jobs under warranty as you know but you need to speak to them about that. I don't know if you take a break from competition in the Winter but if so that would be a good time to send the gun.
They will do the forearm iron and other parts to match the receiver but it might be a good idea to mention this when you take it in.
Alan
New Chokes mill4570 - 15:38 30/06/2003
Alan,
The old K-80 chokes were 0 = Skeet @ .003, 1 = IC @ .007, 2 = Mod @.017, etc. The terms Skeet, IC, and Modified have implied a pellet percentage inside a 30" circle at a given range. Now that Krieghoff has moved to .005, .010, .020, one would think that the new chokes would pattern tighter since the chamber, forcing cones, and internal barrel dimensions are the same. Does Krieghoff still consider a "0" now @ .005 a skeet choke or is it just a "0"? Have you any experience with the new chokes compared to the old? I know that firing at a pattern plate is the only true way to determine the answer, but I thought you might have already done that.
Thanks in advance,
Richard K.
Re: New Chokes alan - 21:11 30/06/2003
Hi Richard,
Sorry to say but I have not found the time to do any pattern testing of old versus new constrictions. I have shot bot and cannot say that I noticed any big difference on targets. They may be patterning a little tighter but nothing so dramatic that I noticed.
Alan
Brown residue Craig - 01:05 01/07/2003
I just got new 32 " barrels and the first time I wiped them down I noticed a brown residue on the cloth I used. Are these barrels rust blued? My trusty old 30" barrels didnt have this occur.
Craig
Re: Brown residue Alan - 07:31 01/07/2003
What you are seeing is either the protective coating we put on the outside of new barrels or it is residue from the cartridges. Some brands leave a brown residue over the outside of the barrel at muzzle and chamber. This residue is deposited over the receiver as well. Some brands of shells are worse than others in this respect. Rust blued barrels can do this if the oil you use contains rust inhibitor. K-80 barrels are chemical blacked so in the main are not affected.
Alan
DT10 extractors Bleddyn Davies - 15:47 10/07/2003
Hi Alan, Hope you are well.
Can you tell me how to remove the extractors on a DT10 so that I can get rid of the residue built up behind them?
Thanks .. Bleddyn
Re: DT10 extractors Alan - 22:18 19/07/2003
Hi Bleddyn, sorry for the late reply, seems I missed this one in my in-box. So much spam these days that sometimes things get deleted that shouldn't be. I am not 100% certain on the DT10 but I always thought it was the same as the 68 series. That is you push the extrator in part way and rotate it out wards and upwards so that the retaining lug passes through the cut out machined for that purpose.
Alan
Factory visit Ray Simmons - 02:14 18/07/2003
Dear Alan Could you please thank everyone at the Krieghoff factory for making our visit very interesting and welcoming the hotel was also 5 star thank you very much Ray Simmons
Re: Factory visit Alan - 22:19 19/07/2003
Hi Ray, will do. Glad you enjoyed the trip.
Alan
ks5 alex bliss - 14:40 03/08/2003
i have just gotten a used ks5 and it has two barrel handers with it a 1 and and a 4 can you give me more info on what the different hangers are and what the number refers too? also i want to have tubes installed in the shotgun will krieghoff do this or am i forced to go with a aftermarket vnedor ? if so who would you say needs to do the job?... thanks alex
Re: ks5 Alan - 22:13 03/08/2003
Each hanger changes the point of impact. The #1 will make the gun shoot higher than the #4. As a rough guide each hanger change will move the point of impact around 3 to 3 1/2". you need to pattern test the gun to see what works for you.
With regard to fitting Screw-in chokes you need to contact Krieghoff International at Ottsville as I do not know what their policy is in the USA.
Rib designs Rick del Monte - 00:08 11/08/2003
Alan, I wonder if you could provide me with some insights into rib designs for shotguns. Here in the US it seems that each discipline has its standard. Skeet shooters seems to like the 8mm non-tapering rib, often raised with a slope at the back (like Kolars and Kreighoffs). Sporting shooters seem to like a tapering flat rib, US trap shooters seem to prefer a stepped tapered rib, and most of the Perazzi bunker guns seem to have a 10mm non-tapering flat rib. Does a narrow rib allow you to see the lead more easily on a horizontal target and a wide rib on a vertical target? People talk about adjusting to the balance of a new gun, but when I switch between my MX-8 with a 10mm flat rib, and the K-80 with the 8mm raised rib, the biggest adjustment is in the sight picture. It has left me wondering about the logic of these two designs.
Thanks,
Rick
Re: Rib designs Alan - 10:02 30/08/2003
Rick, I only just found your post when I replied to a later one. Normally I shoudl receive an email notification of a new posting but I didn't in your case. May have got mixed up with the spam filter. Anyway to answer your question I can only say that it is down to personal preference. Krieghoff offer a number of rib variations but all are raised at the rear. This offers the advantage of lifting your eye above the clutter at the back of the receiver - top lever, safety etc. The variations in ramped or stepped are down to personal preference with the stepped rib offering some sighting advantages for Trapshooters. As you say many Skeet shooters prefer the narrower rib but here in the UK the preference is for the taper rib. I am actually happy shooting any of the configurations and I don't find it makes any difference to my shooting at all. The probable reason is that I don't consciously look at the rib and am only aware of it in my peripheral vision. I am not a particular fan of ribs flat to the barrel as I find I have to put my head down to shoot this type of rib. I prefer the elevated style as it provides a clearer view of the target. As I said, personal preference.
Alan
Re: Rib designs Rick del Monte - 01:58 08/09/2003
Alan, I think I somewhat answered my own question. I was shooting skeet doubles the other day switching back and forth between the 10mm flat rib and the 8mm skeet rib on the K-80. The taller, narrow rib definitely made visually picking up the second bird on doubles much easier. I can understand why this rib is so popular with the skeet shooters who have to pick up a second bird in doubles which is level with or below the first bird.
Rick
34" justin - 23:46 29/08/2003
In this month's clay shooting usa magazine wings and clays gunshop is advertising 34" barrels for the K80. When will they be available in the u.k. ?
Re: 34" Alan - 09:52 30/08/2003
We will have a small quantity of these barrels later in this year, probably around November. Mostly these will be pre-ordered for 2003 so if you want one you need to place an order as soon as possible. I think that there are only two sets available not ordered for this year.
Re: 34" justin - 20:35 30/08/2003
What's the cost ? Are they fixed or multi-choke ?
Re: 34" Alan - 22:48 30/08/2003
We will not have an exact cost until nearer delivery, mainly due to exchange rates. The 34" barrels are available in fixed choke only - half and three quarter choke. Rib style is taper flat.
Krieghoff Wood Gavin Cornish - 10:26 08/09/2003
Dear Alan,
Could you tell me if the K80 wood is a varnished finish or is it a oil finish, the book refers to a satin finish? I am looking at the base k80 but would rather the oil finish; so if I pick up a dent I can steam it out.
Regards
Gavin
Re: Krieghoff Wood Alan - 13:17 08/09/2003
It depends on whuich country youa re in. Standard in the USA is a satin epoxy finish but here in the UK the norm has always been an oil finish. This may well change as the satin epoxy does have many advantages in regard to protection from the weather. We currently offer the expozy finish as an option but it may well become standard in due course.
Re: Krieghoff Wood Gavin Cornish - 08:42 09/09/2003
Many thanks for the prompt reply,I am a UK customer so will check before I take the step into a new Krighoff.
Regards
Gavin
Finance!! Carl Hockenhull - 13:40 15/09/2003
Alan, is there anywhere where I can purchase a K-80 on finance as I simply just can't afford to splash out 7k on a new shotgun, but it's a must I have one, thanks!!
Re: Finance!! Alan - 16:14 15/09/2003
Thanks for your enquiry. Finance on Shotguns has become something of a problem ihere in the UK n recent years. None of the big finance houses will offer the facility for guns. I called around all our dealers and none of them can now offer credit although they have in the past. Most still have a registration with the Office of Fair Trading but cannot find any company who will do it.
Oddly enough, you will probably find it quite easy to get credit yourself and your bank is the best bet. It will definitely work out cheaper and you will not find any problem from most of the banks or building societies. Hope you are successful in finding a loan.
Thankyou Andy Waddington - 21:41 17/09/2003
Hi Alan,
I just wanted to say thankyou for everything your doing for me, i'm really grateful and I can't wait to get hold of the new gun!
Also, would it be possible for you to get hold of some krieghoff labelled polo shirts for me if you wouldn't mind please. If you can't then don't worry about it.
Thanks again, really appreciate it, hopefully i'll see you soon!
Coin Receiver Finish mill4570 - 00:41 25/09/2003
Alan,
Can you give me the details of how a coin finish receiver is made? What is the best way to care for the coin finish? Does it require any special handling?
Thanks,
Richard K.
Re: Coin Receiver Finish Alan - 08:14 25/09/2003
Hi Richard,
The coin finish is just a surface treatment designed to grey the background and show the engraving detail or any gold inlay work. The finish is achieved through surface preparation and immersion in a solution that stains the metal. After immersion the solution is nullified and the receiver polished lightly and oiled. The important thing to note is that the coin finish does not provide any protection against rust whatsoever. This is true of all the traditional "grey" finishes used by gunmakers the world over. You need to develop a routine of wiping the receiver over with a lightly oiled cloth as soon as you finish shooting. This is especially important in hot humid weather when salts from your hands will be deposited on the receiver. So long as you wipe over thoroughly after use you will have no problem. Pay attention to areas you might misss such as the inside of the trigger guard. The small plastic packs of oil impregnated wipes that you can keep in your gun case work well. In real use you should have no problem and I myself have not had any major issues except for a thumbprint on the inside of the guard that I missed with the oil. If you do pick up some staining the receiver can be cleaned up and re-done by Krieghoff so the rust issue is not such a big deal as it might appear.
Alan
New Chokes mill4570 - 13:36 05/10/2003
Alan,
In the US, KI is offering a new titanium extended choke tube. Do you have any experience with them, and what is the advantage of titanium? Do you have any opinions on the new choke?
Thanks,
Richard K.
Re: New Chokes Alan - 14:39 05/10/2003
Hi Richard,
We have the same Titanium choke tubes here and I have to say I like them a lot. Patterns are superb and in every way equal to the patterns already thrown by the regular factory chokes. The big advantage for Sporting Clays shooters are the extended length and lighter weight. Extended chokes are great for quick changes but normally they add to the weight right out there on the muzzle. These Titanium chokes are actually lighter than the standard factory chokes, around 20% on my scales. They are expensive but I have no hesitation in recommending them as I like them a lot. Have to add one more thing at the risk of sounding like and advertisement - we now have a new choke wrench and not before time. The new wrench is all stainless and folds into a really small size. Fits both the regular and Ti choke tubes and really spins them in and out fast. I think it will prove to be unbreakable in use and it is a nice piece of kit.
New Numbering System mill4570 - 01:31 07/10/2003
Alan,
My K-80 serial number is 268XX. Ran across a newer K-80 today with a serial number of 0014XX. Has Krieghoff changed the way they SN the guns? Thanks for the info on the TI choke tubes, if they shoot as good as they look I'll have to have them. I saw a picture of the new choke tube wrench. I does look pretty cool. I also saw a new shooting vest on Germany's web site. Looks to be British green and a lot nicer than what they sell in the US.
Richard K.
Re: New Numbering System Alan - 10:02 07/10/2003
There was a change on the numbering system at the beginning of 2000. No particular reason other than general changes in the computer system etc.
Alan
Barrel weight justin - 19:28 13/10/2003
Could you tell me the weights of a 32" fixed choke K80 barrel and a 32" factory multi-choke K80 barrel. thank you.
Re: Barrel weight Alan - 10:58 17/10/2003
I don't have the exact weights but there is about 2 ounces difference between the fixed choke barrels and choke tube barrels assuming all else is the same.
precision stock Paul Schofield - 10:18 17/10/2003
Dear Alan
Could you please tell me if you carry these preision stocks on the shelf or they special order, and would it also be possible to source a used/slight damaged forarm
as I would painting both items. And this would preserve the original wood
Re: precision stock Alan - 10:54 17/10/2003
We do keep the stocks in inventory with all available grips. We do have forearms for the K-80 and could find you something.
Titanium chokes Gavin - 10:26 19/10/2003
Dear Alan,
Are the new extended titanium chokes available in the UK with new guns (K-80), if not will they be in the future?
Gavin
Re: Titanium chokes Alan - 22:22 19/10/2003
We do have the Titanium chokes and you can specify them with a new gun if that is your preference. As they are made in the USA we have shipping, Import Duty and VAT added to the cost but they are still good value at £90. The use of Titanium means they are about 20% lighter than our standard chokes even though they are extended. Correct fit to bore size in the K-80 is guaranteed and the finish is flawless.
chokes justin - 17:44 23/10/2003
If i buy a fixed choke K 80 but then decide to have it multi-choked, does it void the warranty ?
Re: chokes Alan - 18:53 23/10/2003
Only in so far as the chokes and anything related to their fitting is concerned. Obviously it is not realistic for Krieghoff to carry the warranty for work done by someone else. Another option is to have Briley chokes fitted at the factory.
Transfers? Dieuwer - 21:16 07/11/2003
Dear Alan,
I've been searching for some time for Kriegkoff transfers to customize my barrels, Would you happen to know were i could aquire these?
Re: Transfers? Alan - 22:07 07/11/2003
I(f you mean the long stickers with the word KRIEGHOFF in either silver or gold then we have them. Any of our dealers can supply or we can directly. This applies to the UK only. If outside the UK then you need to contact the Krieghoff distributor in your country.
Gavin - 22:09 02/12/2003
Dear Alan,
I have applied a couple of coats of stock oil to my K-80. I have wiped the excess from the woodwork but missed the action and now have some sticky deposits.
Could you suggest a solvent to clean this up? Pre Krieghoff I would normally wipe over with a little 009, but I sure this is aggressive on nickel?
Regards
Gavin
Stock oil Alan - 08:19 03/12/2003
Hi Gavin,
You are correct, 009 will remove nickel although if it is only wipd over and the excess removed it should do no harm. I doubt this will remove stock oil though as very few substances will remove linseed oil based products. Here we use a very soft steel wool, grade 0000, and polish gently. This will remove the stain although you will still have it left in the bottom of the engraving. We remove this by using a sharpened matchstick or similar. The nickel is really quite hard and you will not scratch it unless you are really heavy handed. Good luck.
- 16:26 04/12/2003
butt pad Ray - 12:52 12/12/2003
Dear Alan the but pad on my K80 has worn Slightly in the side and at the bottom the problem is when i dismount it gets caught on my jacket if this is not under warranty do you have these in stock the gun is only 7 months old Regards Ray
Re: butt pad Alan - 13:31 12/12/2003
Hi Ray,
Pad wear like this is normal and not covered by the warranty. The pad on your gun is made by Pachmayr, one of the major makers who supply pads to most of the manufacturing industry. We do carry replacement pads in stock but fitting is required as all pads are oversize and fitted to the individual gun. If you have a good gunsmith to fit the pad for you we can send you one but beware as I have seen some pretty awful pad fitting jobs.
Alan
Care of oil finish Paul - 22:14 14/12/2003
Hi Alan
I have just acquired a used K80 with an oil finished stock. Is there any particular type of stock oil that should be used to keep the finish in good condition ? Also, how much and how often ?
Thanks
Paul
Re: Care of oil finish Alan - 11:31 15/12/2003
I usually recommend the CCL Stock Conditioning Oil as it is easy to use and produces good results. It is distributed in the UK by GMK and should be available from all gunshops. As for use just follow the very detailed instructions enclosed with the bottle.
barrel hangers roy partridge - 16:20 29/12/2003
What no hanger do I need to fit to give me the same P.O.I top and btm on my fixed choke K80.yours
Re: barrel hangers Alan - 08:49 30/12/2003
There is not a simple answer to this as it depends on a number of factors including barrel length. Typically I would expect it to be a hanger between 5 and 7 with #6 the most common but this can vary from gun to gun. You need to pattern test to determine for sure and this should be done at 20 metres. If you would like to send the barrel to us we would be pleased to do it for you and exchange the hanger for the correct one.
Best regards,
Alan
Titanium Chokes mill4570 - 21:13 30/12/2003
Alan,
Do you have any idea who is making the new chokes for KI?
Richard K.
Re: Titanium Chokes Alan - 22:12 30/12/2003
No Richard, I don't have that information. they are made in the USA to Krieghoff specification and are not made by any of the well known choke manufacturers. The quality is superb and the reduction in weight is quite noticeable. We like them a lot here.
Alan
Weighting a stock terry bobbett - 17:53 05/01/2004
I wish to add lead to a stock as the gun balances forward of the hinge pin. My intention is to bore a hole rather than put it in the stock bolt hole. I am minded to locate the hole near the toe, as the lower point of gravity, but wonder what the implications of this would be regarding recoil - would I be better locating near the heel? Many thanks in anticipation of your reply.
Re: Weighting a stock Alan - 13:21 06/01/2004
Hello Terry,
Coincidentally this is a topic that I have just completed for Clay Shooting magazine and the full article will appear in the next issue around 20th of this month.
As a quick summary I can say that I completely agree that the weight should be added as low down in the stock as possible. There are, in my experience, no adverse effects on the recoil. In fact my observations are that the recoil feels less and more controllable when the weight is located low down in the stock.
Hope this helps.
Left Hand PFS Grip for K80 Brian - 01:34 15/01/2004
Hi Alan,
As many others have said, I would like to reiterate what a great site this is. I have been reading many of the previous posts, and found your site to be an excellent source of information.
I am future K80 combo owner (order has been placed and I'm counting the days), and am interested in adding PFS to it at some point. Can you tell me whether or not a PFS grip is available for the K80 in a left hand configuration? Also, elsewhere on your site, it is mentioned that there is a LH grip available for the 682 is this correct?
Thank you advance for your assistance.
Regards,
Brian
Re: Left Hand PFS Grip for K80 Alan - 21:07 15/01/2004
Sorry for the tardy reply - I missed the notification in my in-box. Thanks for the kind remarks about the site. We hope to improve it further over the coming months but time is hard to come by!
Very pleased to hear you have a K-80 combo on the way. You will have much fun with that gun and I can well understand your anticipation. I have a combo myself and very much enjoy it.
The PFS is available in left-hand for the K-80. I understand that left-hand grips for all the PFS grips are in progress and will be available as soon as the new grip moulds come on line. The K-80 new style grip in right and left hand is already done. I am not sure what the state of play with the Beretta grip is but Vern Brown at Apogee Ordnance will be able to tell you his email is precisionfit@pcisys.net.
Keep counting.
Alan
barrel wings(or ears) krieghoff k80 - 12:46 18/01/2004
The side edges of the K-80 barrel that rests on the top rails of the reciever does'nt lay flush on the top of the receiver when my gun is closed. The left side(brl ears) over hangs a bit, and the right side is a little receded,leaving a slight edge of the top of the receiver rails exposed when gun is closed, which leads me to think that the brl may be off center. The gun functions ok, but I have concerns that this may lead to excessive wearing and early break down. I also noticed that when the gun is open or taken down for cleaning the left hinge pin and cap is a little loose, it rocks back and forth a little, and I think the lock timing may be off. When I start to close my gun if I don't shut the gun swiftly the latch lever closes and the top latch isnt over the barrel ears. Whats you thoughts on these issues.
Re: barrel wings(or ears) Alan - 10:02 19/01/2004
From your description it sounds as if these are either not the original barrels or there has been some modification work. If the gun is new and unaltered you should return it to your dealer and request that they send it for us to take a look at. Even if the barrels are not original I would still advise you to send it in as we can definitely correct the problem.
Now a question for you. Why the fake gun registration sent a few minutes before this posting and why the fake name on your log-in account? do you have something to hide?
32" Supersport gavincornish - 08:35 22/01/2004
Alan,
Can you tell me why the K-80 32" supersport feels so good over my old K-80 30" sporter. As soon as I picked up the gun it felt fantastic, but normally 32's feel too front heavy for me?
Regards
Gavin
Re: 32" Supersport Alan - 16:42 26/01/2004
Hi Gavin and my aplogies for the slow reply. The SuperSport has the new 32" Sporting barrels and the weight distribution is much improved on these. The narrow rib and Titanium chokes save quite a lot of weight as does some re-profiling at the muzzle. The new skeleton hanger also sheds a few more grams and all combined together makes for a very fine handling gun. On these particular K-80s we have also individulaly hand-balanced each gun for a slightly weight forward bias. We can of course do this on any other K-80 if required.
Alan
Choke Tubes epfs - 15:56 26/01/2004
Alan
Firstly your site is already proving of value, I have recently acquired a K80 Sporting and just down-loaded and printed the instruction manual.
The gun has factory chokes; two show the letter S on the rim, one shows the figure 0, one shows the figure 1 and two show the figure 2. The 'S' isn't shown on page 27 of the manual so am I correct in assuming that they are skeet chokes? Are the others likely to be as shown in the manual?
Gun Serial Number:20846
Re: Choke Tubes Alan - 16:38 26/01/2004
If the chokes have no other markings than the "S" then I am sure that will refer to Skeet and around 4 thou of choke. There were some chokes made that had the letter S and a number in a different position on the rim and this indicated something else. I doubt that you have any of those.
Alan
PFS Grip mill4570 - 16:07 31/01/2004
Alan,
What's a PFS Grip? Also is the action and stock the same on the Supersport as a standard K80? In other words could I fit a set of SS 32" barrels to my K80 and have the equivalent of a Supersport? I already have the new TI chokes.
Thanks,
Richard K.
Re: PFS Grip Alan - 22:15 31/01/2004
PFS is the abbreviation I use for the Precision Fit Stock which I distribute here in the UK.
The specification for the K-80 SuperSport is as follows:
K-80 steel receiver with 32" barrels with 10-6mm tapered rib.
Titanium choke tubes and a skeleton front hanger.
#3 adjustable comb sporting stock and schnabel forearm wood.
Each gun is individually hand balanced to a point just on the back half of the hinge screw.
Speak to Norbert at KI and, subject to barrels being available, he could fit the barrels and balance the gun for you.
Alan
Left-handed Stock Greg - 03:24 06/02/2004
Alan,
Recently I sent my K80 back to Ottsville, Pa. I wanted them to bend the stock to reflect 1/4" cast (lefty) at the face. The stock was supposed to be lefty origionally. Nancy called me the other day and informed me that they were able to accomplish this by inletting the stock. What are your thoughts about this? Thanks, Greg.
Re: Left-handed Stock Alan - 08:13 06/02/2004
As you probably know K-80 stocks are pretty straight and this is deliberately so. A straight stock transmits less recoil and an adjustable comb, most times, corrects eye alignment without any adverse effect on recoil. Sometimes a customer needs cast in the stock and we accomplish this in a number of ways, bending is one, making changes to the inletting is another. You have nothing to worry about as KI are doing the work and you can be sure that whichever method they use will be the best for this particular gun. These guys are working on K-80s all day every day and they know how to do the job. I would always recommned that you take their advice.
Alan
Hendry Ramsey and wilcox shotguns Dan Elliott - 10:36 03/03/2004
I found a website a couple of weeks ago that sold a very nice twin side by side shotguns and isnce then I have not been able to find the website again I am almost certain that the guns were made by Hendry Ramsey and Wilcox so if you know of them please email me at the above address. ALso could you tell me if you sell side by side shotguns, rifles, and handguns for private ownership under the firearms ammendment act as I know there have been alot of changes in recent uk law about the private ownership of handguns Thank you very much Dan
Re: Hendry Ramsey and wilcox shotguns Alan - 11:14 03/03/2004
I made a search myself but am not able to find the website you had seen. Ramsey and Wilcox don't ring any bells and so I am sorry but I can't help on this one.
Regarding gun sales, we do not actually sell guns directly at all. We market and distribute Krieghoff in the UK and these guns are sold through our dealers. We are not involved with handguns at all.
Alan
Re: Hendry Ramsey and wilcox shotguns Ken Campbell - 21:28 06/03/2004
Hendry Ramsey and Wilcox now trade under the name Hendry Ramsay & Waters and have a gunshop in Perth Scotland.
As far as I know they are not gunmakers in their own right but you can see their website (link below)
Ken
www.hrwscothunt.ndtilda.co.uk/shop
stock conversion alan wearmouth - 13:29 11/03/2004
in the magazine "clay shooting" you reccommended Roy Wedlake for his quality work. could you give me a contact phone. number or address.
regards
alan
Re: stock conversion - 23:00 11/03/2004
The telephone number for Roy Wedlake is 01443 203498
34" light barrels Rick del Monte - 02:07 17/03/2004
Alan, I have not had a chance to try them out, but on this side of the pond I have been hearing very good things about the new lighter 34" sporting barrels from Kreighoff. Have you had a chance to try them out, and has it changed your opinion about 34" barrels?
Regards,
Rick
Re: 34" light barrels Alan - 09:32 17/03/2004
No rick, haven't tried them out. They handle well and I also hear good things from the USA. I haven't changed my opinion with regard to UK style shooting.
Alan
chokes justin - 14:54 23/03/2004
Why do krieghoff chokes pattern so tightly ? a friend uses just 1/4 and 3/8 in his gun and gets incredible kils ,even at range.
Re: chokes Alan - 17:51 23/03/2004
Hello Justin,
It is not that the K-80 throws tighter patterns than the choke indicates but more a question of pattern quality. The K-80 bore system is a match between bore size, forcing cone profile and choke profile. Get them right and the result is what you see. To put it simply the K-80 delivers more undamaged pellets onto the target so the shot string is shorter and the pattern quality high. I am often amazed at the quality of breaks myself, especially on a quartering target. I should be used to it by now as I have shot a K-80 for a long time but it is nice to see a target just turn to dust.
Alan
Point of Impact Jake Keeling - 20:23 11/04/2004
You can adjust the point of impact for the bottom barrel on the K80, but what is the top barrel set at and does it pull down slightly with the thinnest hanger fitted.
Re: Point of Impact Alan - 10:41 12/04/2004
The impact point of the top barrel is set by the factory and will normally be 60/40 for Sporting barrels and a little higher for Trap. In my experience the top barrel does not pull down with the smallest hanger fitted.
Sanp Caps gavincornish - 22:14 13/04/2004
Alan,
Great to see the web site up again and looking even better!
What is your thought's on the use of snap caps when a gun is not in use. A fellow shooter pointed out they do allow the firing spring tension to rest but the ejector springs are in turn placed under load?
Regards, Gavin
Re: Sanp Caps Alan - 09:57 14/04/2004
Hi Gavin,
It is a good idea to release the hammers when the gun is in storage as it does take tension off the mainsprings so that they last longer. That said, I almost never do it on my K-80 and never had a misfire problem. The springs will last between annual services and beyond without problem and we always change them as a part of the service anyway. I should also mention that you do not need to use snap caps in a K-80. It does no harm at all to pull the trigger without anything in the chamber. I am always a little wary of snap caps anyway as I feel there is a danger that they could be confused with a cartridge when you only see the head.
The ejector springs on the K-80 are always compressed if the gun is closed. It makes no difference if the gun is fired or not. There is no practical way to remove the tension from these springs and it is not neccessary anyway. We do use good quality springs and they will stand long periods of compression without significant loss.
I remember you were looking for a unique engraving sometime down the road. Have you seen the VOS engraved gun that Brierley Guns have on the shelf? That is something quite different and a one off.
Best regards,
Alan
K-20 3 barrel set mill4570 - 14:31 09/05/2004
Alan,
Do you have the inside barrel dimension and the choke constrictions for the 410, 28, and 20 ga barrels that come with a K-20 three barrel set? The one I am looking at has 5 chokes each and uses the old markings; 0, 1, 2, etc.
Thanks,
Richard K.
Re: K-20 3 barrel set Alan - 20:29 12/05/2004
Sorry for the delay on this. I don't have the information to hand. If I can spare some time during the next few days I will take some measurements.
Alan
K-80 Supersport Rick del Monte - 03:19 14/05/2004
Alan, I read quite a nice article about your Supersport model in Clay Shooting. My current K-80 works great for skeet, but I really have to muscle the gun at sporting. The article talked about the gun having a lighter front end and a more lively feel. Can I achieve something similar with my current 30" K-80? The Titanium chokes are available here, I have not seen the skeletonized barrel hangers, but were there any other tricks (overboring, etc.?)? Are those two items enough to make a significant feel difference?
Thanks,
Rick
Re: K-80 Supersport Alan - 09:31 25/05/2004
Hi Rick,
Just found your message when replying to another. Don't know how it was missed so my apologies for that. The K-80 SuperSport is based around the new 32" barrels with the narrower 10-6mm rib, similar to that on the K-20. The skeleton front hanger takes out a little more weight right on the muzzle and the titanium chokes more again. The stock has some weight added to bring the point of balance back and this makes the whole gun feel more lively. The gun is not lighter but the handling is much improved due to better weight distribution in the barrels. A similar operation can be made to a 30" K-80 but the 10-6 taper rib is not available for that barrel at this time. If you consult with Norbert I am sure he will be able to do the balancing for you and I think they are looking at lightweight hangers.
Re: K-80 Supersport Rick del Monte - 01:25 26/05/2004
Intersting the effect that a little less weight at the muzzle and a little extra weight in the stock will make. I will have to try a pair of the Titanium chokes and then reassess the balance. I have not seen them in person, but they look great in the pictures.
Regards,
Rick
new barrel Doug - 07:30 25/05/2004
I just purchased a new barrel for a k-80. The fore end seems too tight to latch. How can I adjust the fit or does it require a professional?
Re: new barrel Alan - 09:07 25/05/2004
K-80 barrels need to be fitted to the gun. If this was a "new" barrel then it is very unlikely that it would go on the receiver at all as new barrels are oversize in a number of dimensions to allow for fitting to the individual gun. Sounds like you have a barrel that has previously been fitted to another gun and some adjustment is required to make it fit yours. The forearm being tight is the one wrong dimension you can see but I bet there will be others. You need to send your gun to a Krieghoff Service facility to have the barrel fit corrected. In the UK that is here - Krieghoff Service - in the USA it is Krieghoff International at Ottsville PA. If you are in another country let me know where and I will provide the information for your local service centre.
recoil reducers Rick del monte - 03:00 05/06/2004
Alan, I have been hearing a lot lately about the Isis recoil reducer, all of it being positive. It seems that the sporting clays model can be installed without altering the gun balance, and it has a much nicer appearance the the other devices. What do you think of these devices in general? My guns fit well, I shoot 1oz. loads, and I do not have cheek or shoulder soreness, but there is still a lot of shock to the body. I do not feel the need to do this with my K-80, but my lighter sporting guns might benefit. Have you tried the Isis, or any of the others for sporting?
As usual, thanks for your input.
Rick
Re: recoil reducers Alan - 09:37 05/06/2004
There is a lightweight version of the Isis that uses a kind of plastic for the plates; the standard version uses aluminium. These units are very light and, as far as I know, are the lightest reducers on the market. That said they are heavier than the thinner sporting type recoil pads and will add a little weight to the back end. The stroke is very short on these reducers and that does minimise the wood you need to remove. As for effectiveness; I cannot really give you a definite as I have not shot one on a Sporting gun. Certainly they are very popular here in the UK but I recommend you try a unit before you go to the work of fitting one to your gun.
Alan
A couple of Q's gavincornish - 21:40 08/06/2004
Alan,
Could I ask your advice on the best way to care for the outside finish of the action on the new gun; is there anything that should be avoided?
Could you tell me how Gunsmiths create the colours when case hardening actions?
I have built up a lovely matt oiled finish following the advice from James/Brett ant Brierly Guns, but have a couple of dull patches on the fore arm that is very figured dark/black grain that seems to be soaking up the oil. The patches are dull but I don't want to over do it. Any thoughts?
Once again many thanks for you time.
Regards
Gavin
Re: A couple of Q's Alan - 09:48 09/06/2004
Hello Gavin,
The colours are protected by a film of lacquer. This should be removed and re-done every year and can be done during annual service.
You need to avoid using anything to clean the oputside of the receiver that will remove the lacquer. Abrasion will eventually rub through and then the colours will wear off.
There are two schools of thought on this. The first is trying to protect the colour as much as possible and this does require some careful use and high maintenance. The other says just use it and let it wear. the colour will still remain in the bottom of the engraving and around any parts that are not easily rubbed during use. The end result can look quite pleasing and i think it might be my eventual choice.
Some wearing of the colours is inevitable and cannot be avoided. the only thing that can be done is to minimise the wear and delay it as long as possible. I would not worry about it as it is normal and expected, plus the result is not unattractive anyway.
The colours are a by product of the hardening process. The hardener has some control over the end result but only in approximation of tone and colour. the light and dark areas are more to do with the metal mass in different areas of the receiver.
The dark areas in your wood finish are still not sealed. this is normal but you do need to beware of getting too much oil in the wood as it is easy to darken the whole stock. These difficult areas can be sealed to prevent them taking in more oil. CCL make a grain sealer that is excellent. This should be available from most gun shops.
Alan
Barrel Pivot Screw RRR - 03:36 14/06/2004
I have a new standard grade K-80 and the barrel pivot screws are not wearing the same. The one on the right side is polished with no blue showing. The one on the left side is still blue in color showing no wear at all. Is this a problem? If so is it a big one or a small one? Rick
Re: Barrel Pivot Screw Alan - 18:43 14/06/2004
This is not anything to worry about. The only important point is the jointing when the barrels are closed and against the face. The opening arc is not in any way critical to the strength of the gun and what you are seeing is probably the result of a very slightly heavy contact on one side. I would say this is normal on most guns and the result of bedding-in during use. If it concerns you I will be pleased to take a look at it but if it were mine I would not be giving it a second glance. Don't forget you have a 10-year warranty with your K-80 so if any problems do arise you are covered anyway.
Alan
Re: Barrel Pivot Screw RRR - 20:47 14/06/2004
Thank you for your fast reply. I thought it had something to do with the gun being on face. If it is just the opening arc I will take your adviced and not give it a second glance.
RRR
Barrel Porting Chris Keys - 20:18 27/06/2004
I have met several shooters recently who have ported barrels on their guns. Mainly skeet shooters and a couple of sporting shooters. How is it done? By whom? Does it work and if so why? Would it negate a Kriefghoff's warranty?
Re: Barrel Porting Alan - 09:13 29/06/2004
Barrel porting can be carried out in a number of ways. The best uses electircal discharge to cut a burr free hole in the barrel wall. The big advantage of this job is that the hole can be just about any shape you like and can be angled to direct the gas backwards. Other methods are simply drilling a pattern of holes using a template. disadvantages are that the holes are quite rough internally and tend to pick up fouling. The drilling raises burrs on the inside but this is polished away at the time the job is done. Drilled holes will always be round and are not usually angled in any way.
Personally I have never found much advantage in porting. Theoretically there should be a noticeable reduction in muzzle climb but I can never detect anything. It may be that the pressure at a shotgun muzzle is too low to make a marked difference.
Warranty issues are always tough and as a rule of thumb no manufacturer will pick up the warranty for anything arising from third party work. Clealy porting does not affect the mechanical warranty of the system but may effect any barrel issues.
Alan
trigger problem Ray - 23:46 28/06/2004
alan over the last couple of weeks the K80 has developed a trigger problem,when i fire the first barrel the trigger does not reset to fire the next shot it happens just now and then but it has cost me clays in competionwhen handed to the ref.it fires so is it me not letting go of the trigger or does it need to be looked at thanks Ray
Re: trigger problem Alan - 09:04 29/06/2004
Hi Ray,
Tough call to make unseen. The most frequent cause is the shooter hanging onto the trigger but if you never had this problem until now it may be something else. Why not send it up and let Erwin check it over? Any problem will be fixed under warranty so better to make sure everything is as it should be.
Alan
alan rhone adjustable stock paul - 17:48 09/07/2004
alan. i have recently brought a 3800 grade 3 with one of your adjustable stocks on and one of the grub screws is spinning in the vertical post [threads stripped], i didn't purchase the gun for the stock and hardly ever adjust it. can you retap it but so the grub screw goes into the main posts so it cant move or would you just retap. should have checked it better when i brought it i spose. cheers paul
Re: alan rhone adjustable stock Alan - 11:40 21/07/2004
Hello Paul,
Sorry for the late reply. So long as the adjustable comb was made by me it is covered under warranty. You can tell because it will have my name stamped underneath the comb together with a number. No name, no warranty. Just return the comb and I will repair it free of charge. I will not do it in the way you suggest though as it will ruin the resale value;not much point in an adjutable comb that does not adjust is there?
Repair should take about 3 days.
Alan
Std K80 vs Supersport Graham Boydell - 15:48 26/07/2004
Alan, I have a 32inch DT10 which I'm considering swopping for a K80, largely because the DT10 is just too lively and I'm looking for a more stable and less lively handling gun. From what I read about the supersport, one of it's characteristics over the standard K80 is that it is 'more lively'. If I'm looking for a slower handling gun would I be best to stick to the std K80.?
Re: Std K80 vs Supersport Alan - 16:56 26/07/2004
Handling is relative and depends on what you are used to and what your personal preference is. The only way to decide this is to visit one of our dealers and compare the handling of the two guns alongside your DT 10. You will find that either gun handles very differently than the DT 10 but only you can decide which you prefer.
Alan
K80 serial numbers Graham Boydell - 15:51 26/07/2004
Alan, is there a way of detrmining the age of a K80 from the serial number? I'm on the hunt for a good K80 but would be interested in knowing how old the gun is before I buy it. Can you advise serial number / age correspondence?
Re: K80 serial numbers Alan - 17:01 26/07/2004
The serial number will of course determine the date and original specification. There is no list linked to dates and this information is only a part of the available information anyway. Serial numbers are fixed at time of order and this could be some time before the gun is actually built. It is not unusual to see a three year old serial number on a new gun. Actually it is not a three year old number as the number does not relate to the age at all, only the production tracking. Let me have a serial number by email and I can tell you whatever we know about the gun.
Alan
Re: Krieghoff skeet guns Tim - 20:23 22/08/2004
Hello Alan i am just writing to ask do krieghoff do a k80 skeet gun with 26 inch barrels and adjustable comb raiser because i use a DT10 at the minute for sporting but i am changing disciplines to olympic skeet and the barrel lenght is to long so if they do that k80 im going to have to say good bye to me DT10
Re: Krieghoff skeet guns Alan - 18:03 23/08/2004
26" barrels are no longer a standard production item for the K-80. It is possible to custom make a set but there would be some waiting time for this. As an alternative we do have some barrels in inventory from previous models. These barrels have either an 8mm parallel rib and fixed chokes or a 12mm parallel rib and fixed chokes. It is only the current production 12 - 8mm taper and screw-in chokes that would need to be a special order.
You may need to consider the length in more detail as our customers who use the K-80 for Olympic skeet are not using 26" barrels. They use either 28" or 30" and to good effect.
You are welcome to telephone time and we can discuss your requirements in detail.
Alan
Barrel Hangars Graham Boydell - 16:50 31/08/2004
Alan,
Can you recommend what barrel hangar is best for a 32 inch sporter. Basically, I'd like both barrels to shoot at the same place, unless there are reasons why it should'nt. Would it be different for a 30 inch barrel?
What's best? I'm concerned that with all the configurability I'd just get tied up in knots!
Thanks for your help
Re: Barrel Hangars Alan - 17:14 31/08/2004
All K-80 sporters are shipped with both barrels shooting to the same point of aim. Unless yours has been changed then it will print both barrels about 60/40. That is 60% above point of aim and 40% below. It is not possible to specify what hanger number achieves this as not all barrels will shoot quite the same. You should also note that hanger numbers for screw choke barrels are not comparable with fixed choke guns. The only way to determine this is to pattern test both barrels and compare the impact points with the aim point. You have to shoot the gun as a laser device will not give you a true picture.
Alan
re k32 bob 54 - 08:39 01/09/2004
dear alan i have just purchased a K32 with 12g skeet barrels, I am intersted in fitting some sub gauge 28g
barrels will i have to buy another forend or will the
existing one fit?.
the serial number n my gun is 11662. Is it possible to tell me the approximate date of manufacture.
regards
bob
Re: re k32 Alan - 09:53 01/09/2004
K-80 and K-32 sub gauge barrels are designed to work with the original forearm so your existing one will be fine. We do have some K-32 sub gauge barrels both new and used and they are listed here on the site under "Used guns".
From the serial number I can say your K-32 was made in 1979. This is actually a hybrid between the K-32 and K-80 and can be upgraded to modern K-80 specification.
Alan
Re: HI ALAN. RICARDO ORTIZ - 16:04 01/09/2004
WHERE CAN I FIND THE KRIEGHOFF HISTORY?
I HAVE A K 32 SERIAL NO. 250. (engraved) 28" BARRELS IM-FULL CHOKES.
MY GUNSMITH SAY THAT THE FIRST 1000 KRIEGHOFF SHOTGUNS, (APROX) WERE SIMPLY ASSEMBLED FROM REMINGTON PARTS BY KRIEGHOFF.
IS IT TRUE?
HOW CAN I KNOW THE DATE OF MANUFACTURE?
THANK YOU.
WHERE CAN I FIND A K 32 EXLODED DRAWING, (SCHEMATICS)?
Model 32 #250 Alan - 16:30 02/09/2004
That is an old gun and I would estimate it at late 1950s. I have asked the factory for some information but this might take a few days.
I have no information on the manufacturing of the first guns and I doubt that anyone else has either. I guess it is possible but very unlikely. Certainly all the very early Model 32s I have seen were Krieghoff manufactured.
You will probably have noticed that your gun is very different mechanically from the later Model 32s and for this reason I don't think you will find a schematic anywhere.
I will post any information the factory can give me as soon as I have it.
Alan
Krieghoff Multi choke sporter?????????????? Kim - 18:15 02/09/2004
Hi Alan,
I know very little of Krieghoff guns. Please tell me, is there a 12 bore multi choke sporting Krieghoff??? If so how much would i be looking to pay?? Thank you.
Re: Krieghoff Multi choke sporter alan - 18:34 07/09/2004
Yes we do make 12b multi choke sporters. Full details are on this website. Price information you will be able to get from your dealer.
Oil finished stocks Rick del Monte - 23:19 06/09/2004
Alan, I have just bought a used stock from a British dealer. It is really a lovely stock and it came with an oil finish. I have never had an oil finished stock and I am concerend about it. Here in Texas we can really sweat alot on our stocks when shooting in the heat and I wonder what effect this will have on the finish. I am in the process of adding several more coats of oil to the finish, any particular suggestions for taking care of this type of finish? I have taped off the checkering (sp?) to avoid filling the diamonds with oil, any suggestions for this area? Thank you again for your insights.
Rick del Monte
Re: Oil finished stocks alan - 18:39 07/09/2004
Hi Rick,
Oil finished stocks can be a problem for many customers in the USA due to your wide extremes of climates across the country. This is why Krieghoff lacquer the stocks destined for the US. You can rub in some of the traditional products and keep on touching it up every 4 weeks or so. The best way to get a sealed finish is to use something like Tru-oil. This does fill the pores really well and will completely seal off the wood from any moisture.
Alan
Re: Oil finished stocks Rick del Monte - 02:33 08/09/2004
Thank you Alan, I bought a bottle of Tru Oil and will see how it holds up.
Regards,
Rick
Re: Oil finished stocks Rick del Monte - 00:45 23/09/2004
Alan, I put on about six very thin coats of Truoil, and the stock looks great. I think this is going to be a much more durable finish.
Thank you,
Rick
gun patterning mark balfour - 20:39 10/09/2004
i read in a previous post about patterning a gun and you suggest a standard k80 will throw a pattern of about 60/40. could you tell me the procedure for patterning a gun as i have never done it before (ie distance from the plate etc) i would greatly appreciate your help
many thanks
Re: gun patterning Alan - 11:07 12/09/2004
The main difficulty with patterning any shotgun is being able to centre the shot. Trust me, this is much harder than you might think. You also need to be able to determine the exact centre of the pattern and see the outer boundary of the pattern. I am taking her about patterning to determine point of impact, not pattern quality.
Your pattern sheet needs to be set up at 20 metres and I recommend that you use a single 2" (50mm) wide strip of tape as an aiming mark. Position the tape horizontally for height of pattern and vertically if you want to check right to left drift. Do not try to do both at once. Stack the beads carefuuly figure of eight, that is with the centre bead touching the bottom of the front bead and bring the beads carefully up onto the tape. Pull the trigger when your beads first touch the bottom of the tape line. Try to develop an awareness of what you do. If you think you might have pulled the gun right or left then say so before you go and look at the target. It is very easy to convince yourself that the gun is shooting in one direction when it is actually you who is pulling it off when you shoot. Always repeat the test a couple of times to eliminate errors. At this range you will easily see where the shot centre is and that is really all you need to know.
KEMEN PRECISION STOCK Roger Rackham - 11:11 13/09/2004
HI ALAN I HAVE A KEMEN KM 4 AND HAVE A SHOULDER PROBLEM I WOULD LIKE TO FIT A PRECISION STOCK ON THE KM .
I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DO NOT MANUFACTURE AN INLET GRIP FOR THE KM. I THINK I HAVE 2 OPTIONS ONE IS MAKE MY OWN INLET GRIP AND FIT THE BACK END TO IT.OR TWO. COVERT THE MX GRIP TO THE KM I HAVE BEEN TOLD IT IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO IT.CAN I PURCHASE THE BACK END ONLY AND HOW MUCH IS IT.THANKS FOR YOUR HELP ON THIS ONE ALAN.
VERY NICE WEB SITE KIND REGARDS.
ROGER
Re: PRECISION STOCK Alan - 07:55 14/09/2004
I doubt that converting a Perazzi grip to fit a Kemen action is possible. there are significant differences. It might be possible to do but I cannot advise you on this at all. The grip is made from 30% glass filled nylon, or so I am told by the maker) and is very tough to work.
Cost of a grip only is £195 and you can order one from this website.
Alan
Supersport stock weights Don Yost - 22:39 13/09/2004
I understand the 32" Supersport stock is weighted. Where is the weight added, how much is added and how is it added???
Thanks,
DY
Re: Supersport stock weights Alan - 07:59 14/09/2004
Each SuperSport is balanced individually. As every stock is a different weight before we start, due to differences in wood density, the weight added will vary from gun to gun. We add the weight as low down in the stock as we can get it as this further improves the handling of the gun.
Alan
Re: Supersport stock weights Don Yost - 07:46 16/09/2004
Where is "as low down in the stock"?
Re: Supersport stock weights Alan - 09:58 16/09/2004
As low down as we can get it means exactly that. Normally this will be below the stock bolt access hole and as close to the pad screw as possible. If only a little weight is required it is sometimes possible to position it under the bottom recoil pad screw but not very often.
Gun Balance Harry Wiley - 17:16 20/09/2004
Hi Alan--
I have become very interested in gun balance. When I read of your individual balancing of each Super Sport, I wonder could you give me some data as to where you think the balance point should be?
My reference has become the trigger for my K80 and K20, as the hinge pin distance is different on these guns and others. The trigger seems to be a much more rational standard. At the moment, I balance to a point about 4.25" to 4.5" in front of the trigger, but this means almost a pound added to the K80 with 32" choke tube barrels. Perhaps you can tell me how much the Titanium barrel hanger is worth as opposed to weight at the recoil pad? How much stock weight corresponds to a non choke tube barrel?
Thanks for your help. Harry Wiley
Re: Gun Balance Alan - 17:37 20/09/2004
Hallo Harry,
Problem with using the trigger is that it is adjustable and so may well be in different positions depending on the gun and grip shape. I do not have any data regarding balancing at the trigger anyway.
We balance the SuperSport K-80s depending on individual preference so one customer may prefer something a little different than another. As a rough guide we generally balance a K-80 slightly to the rear of the hinge screw as this gives a little weight forward feel that generally makes a gun easier to shoot.
As for your two questions at the end I have absolutely no idea what it is you are asking (please excuse, lond hard day). All I can tell you is that the Titanium front hanger is about 8 to 9 gm lighter than a standard hanger and this makes quite a noticeable difference right at the muzzle. How much weight this saves in the stock I cannot say as we have never made the comparison. When we balance a gun we just take it in the specification it is and add weight according to the owner's requirement. We do not try changing hangers etc just to see what the difference is as we do not have the luxury of time to do this. I am not able to give you any information on fixed choke barrels as we seldom see them in the UK. The preference is for choke tubed barrels and I do not think we have supplied a single fixed choke gun this year.
Alan
Correcting muzzle heaviness Con Kapralos - 05:17 22/09/2004
Dear Alan,
Hello there. I have a Browning B425 32 inch sporter which exhibits the usual muzzle heaviness. my gun balances around 1.5 inches infront of the hinge pin. I have tried putting lead in the stock bolt hole to bring the balance back towards the pin, and while this corrects the problem, the gun feels quite heavy. What is the correct way to place weight in the stock (if any) and are there any other options open to me without using weight in the stock.
Thanks.
Con
Re: Correcting muzzle heaviness Alan - 17:08 24/09/2004
I generally recomend putting the weight low down in the stock as I believe this improves the handling of the gun. There is a limit to what you can do and a very muzzle heavy gun may demand so much lead in the stock that the gun begins to feel dead in the hands. The problem is that the weight is ideally placed if it is between the hands and once you start adding weight at one end to counterbalance the other you can finish up with something that does not handle well. I really don't have any suggestions for improving this as if you have heavy barrels you have no option. I would suggest that a workable maximum might be around 5% of the overall gun weight. On an eight pound gun this would be 6 to 6.1/2 ounces. Over this figure you may well find that the handling is adversley affected.
Alan
query about rifle spain made satti swar - 10:20 25/09/2004
HI
I WELL BE VERY HAPPY IF YOU SEND ME INFORMATION ABOUT RIFLE I HAVE AS GEFT FROM A FREND INEED INFORMATION ABOUT THE MANUFACTOR COMPANY NAME ALL IN KNOW THE NAME OF RIFLE WICH (TIGGER) AND IT (MADE IN SPAIN)
Re: query about rifle spain made Alan - 20:23 20/10/2004
I have no information on a Spanish rifle with the brand name Tigger . If you can supply any additional information I will try to help. Makers name as it appears on the gun, type of action and calibre will all help.
Nitride finish Don Yost - 21:14 14/10/2004
Alan, I read your most informitive article in Clay Shooting on "case color" treatments.
Would you explain "nitride" and the care thereof as it applies to Krieghoff.
Thank you,
Re: Nitride finish Alan - 20:29 20/10/2004
The technical details are complex but put simply the nitride finish is another form of surface hardening. The finish is applied at temperature and forms a very hard skin. The resulting surface is very resistant to corrosion and no particular care is required. You still need lubrication on bearing surfaces and a wipe over keeps it looking smart.
Sticky Trap Pad Graham Boydell - 17:24 17/10/2004
Hello Alan, not a very challenging question I'm afraid!
I have a brown ventilated trap pad on my sporter which is very, very, snaggy and sticky. I've tried electricians black tape around it, which actually fixes the problem but it looks a bit rotten. Someone suggested giving it a coat of clear varnish. Apart from that or waiting a few years whilst it smooths itself off. Do you have any suggestions?
Rgds
Graham
Re: Sticky Trap Pad Alan - 20:18 20/10/2004
Sorry to say but I do not have any suggestions other than those you have tried already. Pads can be sticky but should not pose a problem so long as the stock fits. If the pad drags during the gun mount either the stock is too long or you are not pushing the gun forward when you begin the mount. If you simply lift the gun the stock will drag on your clothing on the way but if you push forward, lift and pull back when the stock comes to your face you will have no poblem.
ks-5 jan - 01:38 05/12/2004
can I put a ks-5 special barrel (adjustable rib) on my ks-5 without modifying? or can my ks-5 be modified by puting on an ks-5 special rib? if so who does this work? hope this makes sense.
Re: ks-5 Alan - 11:09 06/12/2004
This is a tough one as I do not know the availability of extra barrel sets for the KS-5 Special. If you are able to obtain a barrel set they will not go straight on without being fitted. For this you will need to send the gun to Krieghoff International in Ottsville PA. You should also ask them about barrel availability. As regards changing the rib on your KS-5, I guess anything is possible but I doubt this is work that Krieghoff would be willing to undertake as it is not likely to be economically viable.
krieghoff signature bob jones - 15:09 05/12/2004
hello alan, can you possibly tell me when the first signature models were introduced & whats the difference
between a k32 signature & a k80 signature.
finally what would be the price differential between the two
regards, bob
Re: krieghoff signature Alan - 14:28 06/12/2004
I cannot state with certainty what guns were made carrying the signature of Mr Krieghoff Snr. I have seen Model 32s made in around 1978/9 with this signature. I know that a limited edition batch was made to celebrate 100 years of Krieghoff. A few years ago we used the same engraving style on a small run of lightweight guns that had some differences from the K-80. Those are all finished now and I cannot give you any price comparison. Likewise there are many differences between a Model 32 and a K-80. Krieghoff have a continual improvement program and some changes are made every year. There were major changes made between the Model 32 and the K-80. The basic receiver has the same dimension and new parts can be fitted to upgrade but to include everything would require replacement of every part in the receiver.
barrel porting john wall - 18:31 07/12/2004
barrel porting is very popular in the states. what about england and europe?
Re: barrel porting Alan - 13:22 22/12/2004
Sorry that I missed your message until now. Porting is not popular in the UK although a few shooters do seem to like it. It is not allowed for any of the International trap disciplines and generally disliked by trapshooters even in the domestic game. The general opinions seems to be that no benefit recoil-wise can be detected and it makes barrel cleaning quite a chore.
Stock adjustments???? Clarky - 21:50 06/01/2005
Allan,
For someone who prefers a very flat shooting gun [english Sporting] i usually end up either having the stock dropped or shaving some off the comb, my question is what is the difference or does both achieve the same thing, the other question in respect of drop being is there any benefit from the comb being parallel to the rib? this way if a miss mount occurs the picture would be the same in respect of height, with the stock not parallel if the face moves back or forth the height would change? and result in shooting high, thats my theory am i right or wrong
Regards Gary
Re: Stock adjustments???? Alan - 11:35 08/01/2005
Hi Gary,
First of all I have to say that the biggest mistake here is the flat shooting gun. If you are so low dpwn on the comb that you are looking flat along the rib then you are restricting your view and this will cause you to lift your head for some targets. You should have a clear view over the rib and you don't have this if you are right flat down so only the bead is visible.
With regard to whether ir is better to bend or shave wood is as long as it is broad. Shaving wood does not alter the position of the heel and so you will need to either lift the stock higher to bring the comb up to your face or drop your head onto the comb. Bending drops the heel as well as the comb and, because it is further away from the bending point, the drop at heel will increase considerably more than the drop at comb. the advantage of a parallel comb is valid for trap and theoretically better for Sporting. Many find it difficult to mount a parallel combed stock consistently whilst others prefer it. This is a matter of persdonal preference and only you can say what suits you.
Alan
krieghoff shot gun german owened or american owened? kamlesh - 20:52 06/02/2005
dear Alan, is krieghoff an american company?
Re: krieghoff shot gun german owened or american owened? Alan - 11:37 07/02/2005
There are two Krieghoff Companies. H. Krieghoff GmbH located in Ulm Germany, and Krieghoff International in Ottsville PA.
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